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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: prozac: the skeptics/ conspiracy "nuts" right agai |
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will wonders never cease? the "nuts" are right again.
prozac is as effective as placebos.
millions of people worldwide on the stuff paying billions to someone and, oops...it is as good as a sugar pill. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| I've known a large number of people on a variety of mood-stabilising drugs. Maybe prozac is different, but the others all have an effect as well. At least, I've witnessed bad effects to most of them. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7263494.stm
Here's the article.
This doesn't necessarily mean that anti-depressants do nothing. It just could as easily mean that placebos are quite powerful. I would like to see more data, including those studies already commissioned by drug companies but not published. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Wait a minute! So this means, Oswald didn't act alone..oh my god!
In all honesty, I would like to see more of the methodology used and these results repeated. It does just look like science correcting itself..you know what its supposed to do. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Newspapers have a rather horrible track record in accurately reporting science stories. I believe the study was not original research (double blind trials of drugs) but from a meta analysis. I don't think anyone in science really trusts a meta analysis. It's sometimes used to prompted a definitive large scale multi centered double blind study. You'll remember hormone replacement therapy came crashing down after the definitive study was done. |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I've read a few articles on this. The drugs may still work well for some people. Definately people who are way past "borderline". Was there ever any real doubt that Prozac could help you get over your ex-boyfriend? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
Wait a minute! So this means, Oswald didn't act alone..oh my god!
In all honesty, I would like to see more of the methodology used and these results repeated. It does just look like science correcting itself..you know what its supposed to do. |
Is that news to you JMO? You stupid idiot. When are you going to stop perpetuating the myth that Oswald even acted at all--much less alone.
You are a lone nutter--and an idiot. Eighty percent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy. But most non-Americans saw right through what happened.
Making fun of an innocent man and the people who understand that Oswald was innocent shows how you played right into the hands of the propaganda that they knew fools like you would perpetuate.
JMO--I have seen your work thoughout this board and it is the same song and dance with whatever topic you engage. You are the penultimate idiot. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
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You are a lone nutter--and an idiot. Eighty percent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy. |
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Well he's not alone. I take the same parsimonious view. There is no compelling evidence that Oswald was part of a conspiracy.
97% of North Koreans believe they are living in paradise. You're arguing the ad Populum fallacy.
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| JMO--I have seen your work thoughout this board and it is the same song and dance with whatever topic you engage. You are the penultimate idiot. |
He generally seems to have intelligent opinions. Disagreeing with your sad little ancient myth doesn't make one an idiot.
You also might want to check you're using penultimate correctly. It's not really a superlative.
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| penultimate adj. 1. Next to last. |
Surely Dave's will have many idiots for a long time to come. Accepting for a moment JMO is an idiot, then after JMO there will not be a last idiot. Hence, he can't be the penultimate idiot or the second last idiot. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| regicide wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
You are a lone nutter--and an idiot. Eighty percent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy. |
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| JMO--I have seen your work thoughout this board and it is the same song and dance with whatever topic you engage. You are the penultimate idiot. |
He generally seems to have intelligent opinions. Disagreeing with your sad little ancient myth doesn't make one an idiot.
You also might want to check you're using penultimate correctly. It's not really a superlative.
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| penultimate adj. 1. Next to last. |
Surely Dave's will have many idiots for a long time to come. Accepting for a moment JMO is an idiot, then after JMO there will not be a last idiot. Hence, he can't be the penultimate idiot or the second last idiot. |
MM2: Anyone who thinks mutual funds pay interest ought not to correct someone else.
And FWIW--There are no magic bullets and when a shot looks like it came from the front--guess what? It did. I guess in your world it isn�t what you see�it is what others tell you to see.
Anyway, I could care less what you or anyone else for that matter believes. The bottom line is that , for everyone that agreed and a dime�I still couldn�t get my cup of coffee.
"97% of North Koreans believe they are living in paradise. You're arguing the ad Populum fallacy."
Nonsense, nearly five decades of proof takes care of that. Absolutely no comparison here The bottom line is the government can never admit what happened out of security concerns and out of respect for its slain unfit president and the office of the president.
So while the official line will remain-it is an open secret about what happened that day. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
| MM2: Anyone who thinks mutual funds pay interest ought not to correct someone else. |
They do:
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Dividends and interest
Throughout the year, most mutual funds will receive dividends and interest on the securities they own. If the total passes the fund's annual expenses, you get the rest. Even if you reinvest those dividends, you have to pay ordinary income taxes on that money. That is to be expected -- it's money you made. |
http://www.fool.com/mutualfunds/glossary.htm
That's twice now I've made you look like the horses ass. Don't toss around big words unless you know what they mean, especially if you're trying to lord some imagined intelligence over a guy actually smarter than you.
*pat* *pat**pat* |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| regicide wrote: |
| MM2: Anyone who thinks mutual funds pay interest ought not to correct someone else. |
They do:
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Dividends and interest
Throughout the year, most mutual funds will receive dividends and interest on the securities they own. If the total passes the fund's annual expenses, you get the rest. Even if you reinvest those dividends, you have to pay ordinary income taxes on that money. That is to be expected -- it's money you made. |
http://www.fool.com/mutualfunds/glossary.htm
That's twice now I've made you look like the horses ass. Don't toss around big words unless you know what they mean, especially if you're trying to lord some imagined intelligence over a guy actually smarter than you.
*pat* *pat**pat* |
Yea, you are a "fool" alright. Too bad , in 1986 when I got my NASD Series 7 license that my due dilligence stuck in my head. We could never say stocks or any mutual fund, including a bond fund, pay interest -- or we would lose our license.
While it is true that bonds do pay interest , and a bond fund that contained bonds would pay interest internally. But as a mutual fund holder you would get the net result at the end of the year--which could be higher if the par value of the bonds contained within that fund rose-thus making the NAV go up as well. But the bond's NAV could also drop in value. Thus the statement that even bond mutual funds pay interest is false.
What do they do? The NAV fluctuates daily based on dozens of internal factors. At any given time you can "redeem" your fund at the current NAV.
"If the total passes the fund's annual expenses, you get the rest. "
So it is still obvious that you know nothing about investing. Your quick google to the Motley Fool website is comparable to the lone nutters here who refer to McAdams for their information.
One buys mutual funds for appreciation--there is considerable risk and the disclaimers will clearly point out that the NAV can rise or fall and that there is no guaranteed rate of return ( interest) paid.
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| MM2 = regicide = mistermasan? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| MM2 = regicide = mistermasan? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
| Yea, you are a "fool" alright. Too bad , in 1986 when I got my NASD Series 7 license that my due dilligence stuck in my head. We could never say stocks or any mutual fund, including a bond fund, pay interest -- or we would lose our license. |
True I'm being sloppy with language. As you are with penultimate. However, I'm not trying to cast aspersions upon another user's intelligence and using a word incorrectly to do it.
You still come off looking like a horse's ass. Sorry to say. Try better next time.
BTW, there's only one L in diligence. *smirk*
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| Anyway, I could care less what you or anyone else for that matter believes. |
You've botched this phrase too. "I could care less" means you could actually care less about something. You should say "I could not care less."
Geez, dude. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| MM2 = regicide = mistermasan? |
no. |
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