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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: OldtimersHow long health card? Checking on pension-shadiness |
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My new hagwon employer tried to trick me into not taking the national health insurance by stating that foreigners usually don't want to pay for the insurance and that if I wanted health insurance I should buy AIG for 120,000/ yr because it's so cheap.
I explained that AIG and most other K insurance was supplemental in case I was dying of cancer or some shit and that I wanted the NHI. He agreed and said that it would be 100,000 won each. I showed him that that was to be split between us and he said it was 200,000 and that 100,000 was half.
Then I brought in documentation in Korean explaining how much each of us would pay, etc. We each pay @ 50,000/mo. He agreed and filled out some forms.
I then learned that another FT does not receive her insurance, pension, or pay taxes. She's fine with it. I'm not because I'm married, have a kid and will be here for a long time.
My question is, how long from the date sent in, does it take to get the actual card? I've heard two weeks, three weeks, one week, etc....
The reason I ask is that if I do not get the card within a reasonable amount of time, I need to pack up and move on.
I don't want to pack it up because the school is not that bad, but the owner is already engaged in shadyness, lying, etc.
I'm not confined to an E-2, so leaving is not an issue. Finding another gig is not an issue either.
Ideally, I will be treated like a regular employee (health ins, pension), and I'll stay and live happily ever after. However, having worked in a hagwon with a shady bastard before, I know that it might not pan out like that.
Recoms? advice? thx |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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If you already have an F2 visa, all he needs to do is go to the Health office, and apply. You should have it the same day. He will need to take your F2 card with him.
At least, this is what I know to be true with E2 visas. Once I get my teachers E2 visas, my assistant takes the ARC cards to the health office and Education office, and gets both done on the same day. He then returns with the health cards. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| polonius wrote: |
If you already have an F2 visa, all he needs to do is go to the Health office, and apply. You should have it the same day. He will need to take your F2 card with him.
At least, this is what I know to be true with E2 visas. Once I get my teachers E2 visas, my assistant takes the ARC cards to the health office and Education office, and gets both done on the same day. He then returns with the health cards. |
great. I was told that it was faxed. my last job it took 2 weeks. same day? damn |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Just for a future reference....
I just get it through my wife and my employer doesn't pay anything.
Just add yourself on to your wifes health care card and then you share the same one. It is a bit cheaper this way as well as it becomes more like a family card than an individual one.... |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| just because wrote: |
Just for a future reference....
I just get it through my wife and my employer doesn't pay anything.
Just add yourself on to your wifes health care card and then you share the same one. It is a bit cheaper this way as well as it becomes more like a family card than an individual one.... |
Does your wife work or does she have "local or area" insurance? Mine has area insurance.....which I think is basically gov't health care for free...... I'll see if I can be added on to that...
thanks for the tip... |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
| just because wrote: |
Just for a future reference....
I just get it through my wife and my employer doesn't pay anything.
Just add yourself on to your wifes health care card and then you share the same one. It is a bit cheaper this way as well as it becomes more like a family card than an individual one.... |
Does your wife work or does she have "local or area" insurance? Mine has area insurance.....which I think is basically gov't health care for free...... I'll see if I can be added on to that...
thanks for the tip... |
My wife is on the national health insurance as she works for the government...as a matter of fact because of this i get it for free which is a nice little bonus. 
Anyway, on the family register you are seen as her dependant so she should be able to add you to her health plan just as she would if you had a child. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| just because wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| just because wrote: |
Just for a future reference....
I just get it through my wife and my employer doesn't pay anything.
Just add yourself on to your wifes health care card and then you share the same one. It is a bit cheaper this way as well as it becomes more like a family card than an individual one.... |
Does your wife work or does she have "local or area" insurance? Mine has area insurance.....which I think is basically gov't health care for free...... I'll see if I can be added on to that...
thanks for the tip... |
My wife is on the national health insurance as she works for the government...as a matter of fact because of this i get it for free which is a nice little bonus.
Anyway, on the family register you are seen as her dependent so she should be able to add you to her health plan just as she would if you had a child. |
I guess I made a newbie mistake then that's going to cost me a bit over 600,000 w for the year.
Thanks for the heads up though. Maybe I can get it canceled and attach to hers. If not, then next year.....
any other wise tips for a newly wed? |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: OldtimersHow long health card? Checking on pension-shadi |
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| PGF wrote: |
My new hagwon employer tried to trick me into not taking the national health insurance by stating that foreigners usually don't want to pay for the insurance and that if I wanted health insurance I should buy AIG for 120,000/ yr because it's so cheap.
I explained that AIG and most other K insurance was supplemental in case I was dying of cancer or some *beep* and that I wanted the NHI. He agreed and said that it would be 100,000 won each. I showed him that that was to be split between us and he said it was 200,000 and that 100,000 was half.
Then I brought in documentation in Korean explaining how much each of us would pay, etc. We each pay @ 50,000/mo. He agreed and filled out some forms... |
I'd recommend that you find another job. Why put up with this nonsense when there's a teacher shortage and you've got the freedom of an F-2 visa? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: Re: OldtimersHow long health card? Checking on pension-shadi |
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| PGF wrote: |
| I then learned that another FT does not receive her insurance, pension, or pay taxes. She's fine with it. I'm not because I'm married, have a kid and will be here for a long time. |
Ask the stupid woman (the foreign teacher) on your way out the door how fine she's going to be with paying all the back payments in one lump sum after the pension office jumps down the boss's throat (i.e, makes him pay all the back payments for all of the employees). |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Re: OldtimersHow long health card? Checking on pension-shadi |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
My new hagwon employer tried to trick me into not taking the national health insurance by stating that foreigners usually don't want to pay for the insurance and that if I wanted health insurance I should buy AIG for 120,000/ yr because it's so cheap.
I explained that AIG and most other K insurance was supplemental in case I was dying of cancer or some *beep* and that I wanted the NHI. He agreed and said that it would be 100,000 won each. I showed him that that was to be split between us and he said it was 200,000 and that 100,000 was half.
Then I brought in documentation in Korean explaining how much each of us would pay, etc. We each pay @ 50,000/mo. He agreed and filled out some forms... |
I'd recommend that you find another job. Why put up with this nonsense when there's a teacher shortage and you've got the freedom of an F-2 visa? |
because trickery is par for the course here. We aren't in Kansas anymore.... Frankly, I'd be super surprised and perplexed if my boss didn't try to trick me- but if I call them on it and they comply with the law, it's okay. if I call them on it and they continue to be evasive, then I walk....
Why stay?
the money is good, the hours are low and there is little interaction with the K staff. It's almost ideal..... the kids are even well behaved and attentive...
I will walk out in a second if there are money issues...short of that, I like the place. |
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