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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Record-high ratio of Americans in prison |
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By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer
13 minutes ago
NEW YORK - For the first time in history, more than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report tracking the surge in inmate population and urging states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs.
The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/ap_on_re_us/prison_population |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I read a another report not too long ago about California's 3 strikes rule. That it basically inflated the prison population. It is getting so bad that the Federal Gov't might come in and tell California to start letting prisoners go  |
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flip ant
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
Location: He's got high hopes!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there some sort of fucking award for starting threads on this board? A thread with the EXACT SAME ARTICLE AND INFORMATION was started 8 HOURS before this one. Do you not read the rest of the board before you post? Maybe you should find out what some other people have to say rather than reading your own blather. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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don'r worry. it isn't a crime. yet.
sometimes stuff gets missed. |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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mistermasan:
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| don'r worry. it isn't a crime. yet. |
Well it should be. They should lock you up and throw away the key. And they would, if you were in the U.S.
So don't do it again! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| flip ant wrote: |
| Is there some sort of *beep* award for starting threads on this board? A thread with the EXACT SAME ARTICLE AND INFORMATION was started 8 HOURS before this one. Do you not read the rest of the board before you post? Maybe you should find out what some other people have to say rather than reading your own blather. |
Oh, don't get kimchee stuck in your briefs, man:) The person who posted the thread that had the article, did not use the name of the article, so I missed it. People should use the name of the article, rather than trying to make a huge political statement which I was not making.
Cheers:)
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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breakdown of society.
The family unit is no longer sacred.
Morality is neither here nor there.
People are told there is no God and nothing means anything really.
Violence is glamourised in the media.
Marriage is not sacred.
Every vice and crime is at the top of the charts of popular culture.
Do whatever feels good.
Pleasing oneself is your highest aim in life.
There is no right or wrong.
There are no duties to eachother, only personal rights.
There are no battlers, just winners and losers.
Nobody owes anyone anything.
Abusing your body with drugs or starvation diets is sexy.
Discipline is child abuse.
Those who try to step in and do the right thing can be sued.
Defending yourself against criminals makes you the criminal.
teachers have no right to tell children what to do.
Students must stab aforesaid teachers with weapons allowed into school, then sue their victims for emotional damage.
Christianity is not the backbone of society, but cultural relativism.
betray your political, cultural and idealistic allies in the world and reward your enemies.
Propogate these philosophies for a few decades and you end up with what you have now, trying to close the door after the horse has bolted. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Violence is glamourised in the media.
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Would you include your avatar in that indictment? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent call, OTOH.
Where is the entry for the effects of poverty on crime in that list? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Would you include your avatar in that indictment? |
You don't get the distinction? between necessary, unglamorous and legitimate real-world violence, contrasted with sensationalist TV ratings violence produced to give meaning to the idle and bored lives of millions of pampered people sitting on sofas in the first world?
ie...in one country the people are surrounded and threatened with extinguishing on all sides and have to hold their borders to stay alive, a daily reality and matter of survival
compared to
A million americans munching popcorn, dulled by centuries of a comfortable existence, looking for drama by artificially synthesizing violence on TV and occasionally re-enacting it to punctuate the emptiness of a materialistic existence with some vitality, and get attention in an impersonal alienating society. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Where is the entry for the effects of poverty on crime in that list? |
Oh, you mean when inner city youth choose selling drugs over getting a legitimate job because its easier, makes more money and their parent(s) won't do any parenting whatsoever? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I wish I lived in wannago's world where everything is all sweetness and light. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Where is the entry for the effects of poverty on crime in that list? |
Oh, you mean when inner city youth choose selling drugs over getting a legitimate job because its easier, makes more money and their parent(s) won't do any parenting whatsoever? |
Yeah, what's wrong with those lazy scum? Why can't they just go out and get a regular job like kids who grow up in the suburbs? It can't be any harder to get education and legitimate employment when you live in a ghetto, can it?
You might want to think a little harder before you post stuff like this. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| People are told there is no God and nothing means anything really. |
Do you know what the most atheistic, secular country in the world is? Norway.
Do you know what the most peaceful country in the world is? Three guesses, and the first two don't count.
Here's some more interesting reading about the horrible breakdown of society Norway has endured as a result of its secularism.
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And what has secularism done to Norway? The Global Peace Index rates Norway the most peaceful country in the world. The Human Development Index, a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standard of living, has ranked Norway No. 1 every year for the last five years.
Norway has the second highest GDP per capita in the world, an unemployment rate below 2 percent, and average hourly wages among the world's highest. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| wannago wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Where is the entry for the effects of poverty on crime in that list? |
Oh, you mean when inner city youth choose selling drugs over getting a legitimate job because its easier, makes more money and their parent(s) won't do any parenting whatsoever? |
Yeah, what's wrong with those lazy scum? Why can't they just go out and get a regular job like kids who grow up in the suburbs? It can't be any harder to get education and legitimate employment when you live in a ghetto, can it?
You might want to think a little harder before you post stuff like this. |
On the one hand they don't have many options to them. Grow up poor, no emphasis on education whatsoever, it's not surprising that as adults they can't do anything else than sit on the stoop, sling rock, shoot each other, and complain that "the man" is holding them down. Same goes for white people, too. Some of the most economically depressed areas in the country are trailer parks. The poverty I've seen in America's cities and rural areas trumps anything I've seen in Korea, and I live in the most economically poor province in the country. It's embarassing.
But on the other hand, certain demographics owe it to themselves to pull themselves up. It's politically incorrect to say, but black people need to get their act together. Every demographic in the country has its share of problems, and I'm not making the racist case that certain races are prone to certain behavior. But socialogically speaking, the poverty, crime, ignorance, and idleness that characterizes huge chunks of the African-American population absolutely has to stop. The biggest role models in the black community are rappers and athletes, so its not suprising that kids follow the "underpants gnome" model of personal growth:
1) play ball and hang out
2) ?
3) make profit.
All these "leaders" talk about getting out of the ghetto, and when they do, they make no effort to help those still there. For what an athlete or musician spends on jewelry in one week could put a kid through school. The cost of a car could build a park. A few jackets and throwback jerseys could create afterschool programs that get kids off the streets and off the basketball courts. Instead you've got these role models flaunting their wealth and glorifying violence and ignorance . . . oh, wait, no that's politically incorrect . . .. they're "reporting" on it, right Snoop? Areas of every American city are off limits to everyone else but gangbangers. I can't even walk through Pittsburgh at night---one of America's most livable cities---because I'd have to cross through a poor black neighborhood.
But so many areas of the country are screwed up. Kids come home from school and spend 5 hours in front of the TV after finishing their 20 minutes of homework. We all rip on the Korean system, but what would you rather have: kids who do nothing but study or kids who do nothing? Kids coast through high school and emerge with no skill sets at all. People go on about how drugs ought to be legalized. How pot ought to be legalized. How it's a personal choice. People are shocked and awed by the penalties handed out in Singapore and other Asian countries for drug trafficing, and people laugh at the "uptight" attitude Japanese and Koreans have toward drugs. Well, what countries have out of control drug problems? Certainly not Korea, Japan, or Singapore. We make movies like "Juno," a "comedy" about teenage pregnancy . . . the country with the highest rate of teenage pregnancy among wealthy nations shouldn't be making a comedy about teenage pregnancy. Jesus Tapdancing Christ: teenage pregnancy isn't good, drug use isn't good, violence isn't good, idleness isn't good. Why don't people realize this? Why aren't candidates talking about this, rather than just fighting amongst themselves?
People go on and on about personal rights, but say nothing at all about personal responsibilities. Personal rights are excellent when you have a populace educated enough to make the right choices. However, we live in a country where people can't even distinguish between right and wrong, between what's good for them and what's good for society.
Hell, even the customer service sucks. |
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