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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: The Jimmy Carter Years : profile in incompetence |
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http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Special3.aspx
In this exclusive 10-part series, IBD takes a hard look at Jimmy Carter�s administration and compares it to that of George W. Bush, which Carter has called the worst ever.
Installments cover the economy, foreign policy, human rights, dealing with dictators, fighting Communism and the Democratic leadership in general during times of war.
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On taking office in 1977, Carter declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities. America's ally, the Shah of Iran, was one of his first targets, with Carter chastising him for his human rights record and withdrawing America's support.
One of the charges was that the Shah had been torturing about 3,000 prisoners, many of them accused of being Soviet agents. Carter sent a clear message to the Islamic fundamentalists that America would not come to the Shah's aid. His anti-Shah speeches blared from public address systems in downtown Tehran.
The irony, as noted by Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute in his book, "The Real Jimmy Carter," is that the regime of Ayatollah Khomeini "executed more people in its first year in power than the Shah's SAVAK had allegedly killed in the previous 25 years." Khomeini's regime was a human rights nightmare.
When Khomeini, a former Muslim exile in Paris, overthrew the Shah in 1979, he established the first modern Islamic regime, a role model for the Taliban and the jihadists to follow. And when the U.S. embassy was stormed that November and 52 American hostages were held for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind.
The wreckage of Carter's foreign policy was seen in the Iranian desert, where a plan to rescue the hostages, a plan never formally presented to the Joint Chiefs, resulted in the loss of eight aircraft, five airmen and three Marines. The rest, as they say, is history.
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If we'd stuck by the Shah and his successors, the history of the last 25 years in the Middle East and here at home would have been very different. As Hayward observes, the fruits of Carter's Iran disaster are with us still, spawning the rise of radical Islam, terrorism, the Taliban and al-Qaida. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Iran: Carter's Habitat For Inhumanity
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:30 PM PT
Leadership: In the name of human rights, Jimmy Carter gave rise to one of the worst rights violators in history � the Ayatollah Khomeini. And now Khomeini's successor is preparing for nuclear war with Israel and the West.
When President Carter took office in 1977, the Iran of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was a staunch American ally, a bulwark in our standoff with the Soviet Union, thwarting the dream held since the time of the czars of pushing south toward the warm waters of the appropriately named Persian Gulf.
Being an ally of the U.S. in the Cold War, Iran was a target for Soviet subversion and espionage. Like the U.S. in today's war on terror, Iran arrested and incarcerated many who threatened its sovereignty and existence, mainly Soviet agents and their collaborators.
L: Iranian terrorists who held 52 Americans hostage in 1979 bragged that a U.S. led by Jimmy Carter could not 'do a damn thing' about it. R: Wreckage of Carter's failed hostage rescue.
This did not sit well with the former peanut farmer, who, on taking office, declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities. The shah was one of his first targets. As he's done with our terror-war detainees in Guantanamo, Carter accused the Shah of torturing some 3,000 "political" prisoners. He chastised the shah for his human rights record and engineered the withdrawal of American support.
The irony here is that when Khomeini, a former Muslim exile in Paris, overthrew the shah in February 1979, many of the 3,000 were executed by the ayatollah's firing squads along with 20,000 pro-Western Iranians.
According to "The Real Jimmy Carter," a book by Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute: "Kho-meini's regime executed more people in its first year in power than the Shah's Savak had allegedly killed in the previous 25 years."
The mullahs hated the shah not because he was an oppressive dictator. They hated him because he was a secular, pro-Western leader who, in addition to other initiatives, was expanding the rights and roles of women in Iran society. Under Khomeini, women returned to their second-class role, and citizens were arrested for merely owning satellite dishes that could pick up Western television.
Khomeini established the first modern Islamic regime, a role model for the Taliban and jihadists to follow. And when the U.S. Embassy was stormed that November and 52 Americans taken hostage for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind.
On Nov. 4, 1979, some 400 Khomeini followers broke down the door of the embassy in Tehran, seizing the compound and the Americans inside. The hostage takers posed for the cameras next to a poster with a caricature of Carter and the slogan: "America cannot do a damn thing."
Indeed, America under Carter wouldn't do much. At least not until the 154th day of the crisis, when Carter, finally awakening to the seizure of U.S. diplomats and citizens on what was legally American soil, broke off diplomatic relations and began planning economic sanctions.
When Carter got around to hinting about the use of military force, Khomeini offered this mocking response: "He is beating on an empty drum. Neither does Carter have the guts for military action nor would anyone listen to him."
Carter did actually try a military response of sorts. But like every other major policy action of his, he bungled it. The incompetence of his administration would be seen in the wreckage in the Iranian desert, where a plan to rescue the hostages resulted in the loss of eight aircraft, five airmen and three Marines.
Among the core group of hostage takers and planners of the attack on our embassy was 23-year-old Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who learned firsthand the weakness and incompetence of Carter's foreign policy, one that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid are now attempting to resurrect.
According to then-Iranian President Abolhassan Bani-Sadr, Ahmadinejad was among the hostage takers and the liaison between them and prominent Tehran preacher Ali Khameini, later to become supreme leader of the Islamic Republic.
The shah was forced into exile and on the run from Morocco to Egypt, the Bahamas, Mexico and finally Panama. In July 1979, Vice President Walter Mondale and National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told Carter they had changed their minds about offering the shah permanent asylum. Carter's response was: "F*** the shah. I'm not going to welcome him here when he has other places to go where he'll be safe."
In October 1979, the shah, gravely ill with cancer, was granted a limited visa for treatment at the Cornell Medical Center in New York. He would die in Cairo in July 1980, an abandoned American friend. Our enemies took notes.
If the shah remained in power, it isn't likely the Iraq-Iran War, with upward of a million casualties on both sides, a war that saw Saddam Hussein first use mass-murder weapons, would have taken place.
Nor is it likely there would have been a Desert Storm, fought after Hussein invaded Kuwait to strengthen his strategic position. That led to bases in Saudi Arabia that fueled Islamofascist resentment, one of the reasons given by Osama bin Laden for striking at America, the Great Satan.
Khomeini introduced the idea of suicide bombers to the Palestine Liberation Organization and paid $35,000 to PLO families who would offer up their children as human bombs to kill as many Israelis as possible.
It was Khomeini who would give the world Hezbollah to make war on Israel and destroy the multicultural democracy that was Lebanon. And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. troops in their Beirut barracks in 1983.
The Soviet Union, seeing us so willingly abandon a staunch ally, invaded Afghanistan in December 1979, just six months after Carter and Russian leader Leonid Brezhnev embraced after signing a new arms-control treaty.
And it was the resistance to the Soviet invasion that helped give birth to the Taliban. As Hayward observes, the fall of Iran, hastened by Jimmy Carter, "set in motion the advance of radical Islam and the rise of terrorism that culminated in Sept. 11."
Writer Christopher Hitchens recalls a discussion he had with Eugene McCarthy. A Democrat and former candidate for that party's presidential nomination, McCarthy voted for Ronald Reagan instead of Carter in 1980.
The reason? Carter had "quite simply abdicated the whole responsibility of the presidency while in office. He left the nation at the mercy of its enemies at home and abroad. He was quite simply the worst president we ever had."
Quite simply, we concur.
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Gopher

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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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While Carter was a lousy president, he didn't destroy America's moral standing in the world. No, try as they might to switch the 'honor' to someone other than George Bush, the conservatives won't succeed in changing the national opinion that Bush is the worst president in our history. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
While Carter was a lousy president, he didn't destroy America's moral standing in the world. No, try as they might to switch the 'honor' to someone other than George Bush, the conservatives won't succeed in changing the national opinion that Bush is the worst president in our history. |
I doubt conservatives care much about our moral standard in the world. Yes, Carter made some errors, including advocating completely pulling out of Korea. I wonder how GW will be viewed 20 years from now. Will conservatives still worship him as a God?
I'm waiting for the DNC commercial of Bush and McCain standing together at The White House. Won't that be funny? |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
While Carter was a lousy president, he didn't destroy America's moral standing in the world. No, try as they might to switch the 'honor' to someone other than George Bush, the conservatives won't succeed in changing the national opinion that Bush is the worst president in our history. |
That may be the opinion of you and the rest of your lefty "friends" but its far from a national consensus. I don't know of anyone who thinks Bush is near the top of US Presidents, but he certainly isn't the worst either. You desperately need to pick up a history book. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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but he certainly isn't the worst either |
You're right, if you consider Jefferson Davis. He's one of yours, too. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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carter got sandbagged. you think those hostages were accidentally released on the day reagan was sworn in? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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carter got sandbagged |
Yes, he did--and ABC TV was a prime player, deliberately or not, in the sandbagging. |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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My only complaint about Carter is that he didn't legalize it. That was the closest the US has come in a long time, and who knows when we'll have the chance again. |
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stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Carter was a pretty bad President, but in fairness, he inherited most of his disasters. Especially on Iran, which Joo persists in wanting to assign Carter sole responsibility for. The US "withdrawing its support" for the Shah did not precipitate the Iranian Revolution. The US installing the Shah as a puppet monarch in 1953 precipitated the Revolution. Iran was a kettle that came to a boil over twenty-five years, not three. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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It is interesting. There are striking similarities between Reza Pahlavi and President Musharraf of Pakistan. The Shah was criticized for being to harsh and not opening up political liberties although he had Communists on one side and Islamic fundamentalists on the other. The Shah had to strike a delicate balance if he was going to modernize Iranian society. So when the US withdrew its support because of the human rights situation, we ended up with something much much worse.
Pervez Musharraf is often criticized on the left for being too autocratic. Like the Shah's Iran, the military also is the only functioning service in Pakistan. Also, the military seems to give more allegiance to Musharraf than its constitution. Nevertheless, there remains a very small, albeit strong, fundamentalist Islamic presence that is ready to take over Islamabad any day. Important lessons from history remain true today.
(I hope that when people study world affairs such as these that they would understand why a Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich administration would be such a disaster ) |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: |
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wannago wrote: |
You desperately need to pick up a history book. |
And you need to look at a current opinion poll sometime. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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twg wrote: |
wannago wrote: |
You desperately need to pick up a history book. |
And you need to look at a current opinion poll sometime. |
Ah yes, the lefty rulebook on how to govern: the opinion poll. |
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wannago
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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but he certainly isn't the worst either |
You're right, if you consider Jefferson Davis. He's one of yours, too. |
Yes, and FDR, who is THE worst president ever, is one of yours. Its nice to see you know who Jeff Davis was...or do you??? |
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