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R. S. Refugee
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Paul Craig Roberts is 9-11 conspiracy theorist.
Counterpunch is an organization that supports the insurgents in Iraq. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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If we are going on what Counterpunch says then Obama is a pandering crook and a liar.
http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html
Just curious RSR. Do you share the same view of Obama as the author of the above article? |
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yawarakaijin
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Regardless the politics of counterpunch is there any truth to the story? It is the first time I have heard about it and it by no means seem beyond belief.
Have we come to the point where a article is simply dismissed because of it's point of origin?
I will have to plead ignorance when it comes to counterpunch. Enlighten me as to why any and all stories it posts are to be summarily dimissed. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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SUPPORT FOR the right of Iraqis to resist occupation must extend beyond an abstract principle for the U.S. antiwar movement.
While recognizing "the right of the Iraqi people to resist as a point of principle," Phyllis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies--in widely circulated notes for a speech to the steering committee of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ) on December 18--argued, "We should not call for 'supporting the resistance' because we don't know who most of them are and what they really stand for, and because of those we do know, we mostly don't support their social program beyond opposition to the occupation."
To be meaningful, however, supporting the "right to resist" must include support for that resistance once it actually emerges.
Award-winning Indian writer and global justice activist Arundhati Roy got to the heart of the issue in a San Francisco speech on August 16: "It is absurd to condemn the resistance to the U.S. occupation in Iraq, as being masterminded by terrorists," she said. "After all, if the United States were invaded and occupied, would everybody who fought to liberate it be a terrorist?"
If we are waiting for the "ideologically pure" movement--assuming the unlikely scenario that all those opposed to the war could agree on one--we could be waiting forever.
As Roy explained, "Like most resistance movements, [the Iraqis] combine a motley range of assorted factions. Former Baathists, liberals, Islamists, fed-up collaborationists, communists, etc. Of course, it is riddled with opportunism, local rivalry, demagoguery and criminality. But if we were to only support pristine movements, then no resistance will be worthy of our purity. |
http://www.counterpunch.org/smith01212005.html
counterpunch supports the enemy.
Paul Craig Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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SUPPORT FOR the right of Iraqis to resist occupation must extend beyond an abstract principle for the U.S. antiwar movement.
While recognizing "the right of the Iraqi people to resist as a point of principle," Phyllis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies--in widely circulated notes for a speech to the steering committee of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ) on December 18--argued, "We should not call for 'supporting the resistance' because we don't know who most of them are and what they really stand for, and because of those we do know, we mostly don't support their social program beyond opposition to the occupation."
To be meaningful, however, supporting the "right to resist" must include support for that resistance once it actually emerges.
Award-winning Indian writer and global justice activist Arundhati Roy got to the heart of the issue in a San Francisco speech on August 16: "It is absurd to condemn the resistance to the U.S. occupation in Iraq, as being masterminded by terrorists," she said. "After all, if the United States were invaded and occupied, would everybody who fought to liberate it be a terrorist?"
If we are waiting for the "ideologically pure" movement--assuming the unlikely scenario that all those opposed to the war could agree on one--we could be waiting forever.
As Roy explained, "Like most resistance movements, [the Iraqis] combine a motley range of assorted factions. Former Baathists, liberals, Islamists, fed-up collaborationists, communists, etc. Of course, it is riddled with opportunism, local rivalry, demagoguery and criminality. But if we were to only support pristine movements, then no resistance will be worthy of our purity. |
http://www.counterpunch.org/smith01212005.html
counterpunch supports the enemy.
Paul Craig Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist. |
I'm sorry but I don't disagree with a single thing the author of that piece stated. There are various groups who are targeting the US at the moment in Iraq. Labelling them all terrorist IS ridiculous. I guess I suppourt the "enemy". |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Before we prescribe how a pristine Iraqi resistance must conduct their secular, feminist, democratic, nonviolent battle, we should shore up our end of the resistance by forcing the U.S. and its allied governments to withdraw from Iraq |
maybe you do. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Can I still go to Florida for winter vacation? |
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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SUPPORT FOR the right of Iraqis to resist occupation must extend beyond an abstract principle for the U.S. antiwar movement.
While recognizing "the right of the Iraqi people to resist as a point of principle," Phyllis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies--in widely circulated notes for a speech to the steering committee of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ) on December 18--argued, "We should not call for 'supporting the resistance' because we don't know who most of them are and what they really stand for, and because of those we do know, we mostly don't support their social program beyond opposition to the occupation."
To be meaningful, however, supporting the "right to resist" must include support for that resistance once it actually emerges.
Award-winning Indian writer and global justice activist Arundhati Roy got to the heart of the issue in a San Francisco speech on August 16: "It is absurd to condemn the resistance to the U.S. occupation in Iraq, as being masterminded by terrorists," she said. "After all, if the United States were invaded and occupied, would everybody who fought to liberate it be a terrorist?"
If we are waiting for the "ideologically pure" movement--assuming the unlikely scenario that all those opposed to the war could agree on one--we could be waiting forever.
As Roy explained, "Like most resistance movements, [the Iraqis] combine a motley range of assorted factions. Former Baathists, liberals, Islamists, fed-up collaborationists, communists, etc. Of course, it is riddled with opportunism, local rivalry, demagoguery and criminality. But if we were to only support pristine movements, then no resistance will be worthy of our purity. |
http://www.counterpunch.org/smith01212005.html
counterpunch supports the enemy.
Paul Craig Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist. |
I'm sorry but I don't disagree with a single thing the author of that piece stated. There are various groups who are targeting the US at the moment in Iraq. Labelling them all terrorist IS ridiculous. I guess I suppourt the "enemy". |
You seem to be a thoughtful chap unlike those on this forum who do such a wonderful portrayal of people suffering from syphilitic brain-wasting disease. Though I honestly do feel compassion for them and the suffering that they are seemingly experiencing every moment of their sad, unloved lives, I long ago quit wasting the precious moments of my life responding to such wasters. I don't feel too guilty about not responding to them.
Anyway, here's what that commie-infested, terrorist-loving, Amerika-hating bunch, 60 Minutes, has to say about the story. Enjoy. But watch out. I see one of these wasters gettin' ready to drop his drawers and take a dump on them any second now.  
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NsqA0-3hXoo |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| syphilitic brain-wasting disease |
so that is why you apologize for any enemy of the US and are so blind that you see evil only in the US and its enemies.
I guess it destroyed your eye sight. |
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yawarakaijin
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Hey Joo. Did you watch the clip? Do you have any contradictory information to the said piece or is your response to everything this administration has done simply going to be "well at least we are not as bad as the bad guys"?
You seem like a guy who has convictions, no problem with that, but are you really incapable of coming up with ANY arguement more substantial than "but mommy, Jill does it too!"
I'm starting to think that you are, in fact, the most successful troll on this entire board. |
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R. S. Refugee
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I'm starting to think that you are, in fact, the most successful troll on this entire board. |
Uh-oh. The truth is beginning to seep out, Joo. But don't worry. I won't squeel about our good-cop-bad-cop-discredit-the-right-wing-nutballs-by-portraying-them-as-syphilitic-mind-wasting-degenerates scam.
Edited: Humanitarian impulses caused me to think better of some of the other satirical comments I made and remove them. Whew. That makes my conscience feel a lot better.
Oh damn. Thought of another one. Edited it too. See, I'm not so bad, Joo. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Counterpunch is where syphilitic-mind-wasting-degenerates go to conjugate.
The only information on that site is misinformation. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Paul Craig Roberts is 9-11 conspiracy theorist.
Counterpunch is an organization that supports the insurgents in Iraq. |
If you can't attack the claim, attack the source, right? |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Counterpunch is where syphilitic-mind-wasting-degenerates go to conjugate.
The only information on that site is misinformation. |
Troll. Is 60 minutes now equivalent to Counterpunch? If Hitler told you the sky was blue would you argue the fact just cause Hitler was the source?
You are a joke sir.
I don't prescribe to any one particular ideology but I know a news story when I see one. |
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