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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Native English Teachers hate their schools |
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Having Their Native Say (2)
By Jason Lim
This is the second installment of a three part series on the results of the online survey the author conducted asking the native English-speaking teachers what they thought about the new president's proposed English immersion plan. ― Ed.
In the first column of this series, I noted that, contrary to general preconception, a surprisingly large percentage of native English teachers have been here for a significant length of time, with more than 45 percent overall having spent three years or more teaching English in Korea, and 31.3 percent more than five years.
From these numbers, we can infer that only slightly less than half of the native English-speaking teachers in Korea have an organic network of personal relationships, financial interests, and other ties that keep them in Korea. In short, they are a part of the long-term social, economic, and cultural fabric of Korea.
But how are their experiences in Korea as English teachers? From my own experience as a recruiter for a prominent language institute in Seoul, as well as a teacher of reading and comprehension classes, I witnessed the almost dysfunctional disconnect between the native English teachers and the management of these institutes. Would the survey results reflect my own experiences from ten years ago? Or have things changed since then?
Unfortunately, not much seems to have changed. Close to 73 percent of the respondents said those organizations either hinder or have no effect on their ability to become a successful teacher; and 56.2 percent said that they are very ― or somewhat dissatisfied ― with how their organization or program is being managed as it impacts their ability to teach their students. Close to 65 percent of them also believe that their head administrator or leader is a very weak or somewhat weak leader.
All in all, the native English-speaking teachers don't have much confidence in the capability or leadership of their organizations and programs. When these numbers are matched up to the individual comments in the survey, a perceived lack of communication and transparency on the part of the Korean management ― for whatever reasons ― seem to breed an atmosphere or isolation and distrust among the native English-speaking teachers as to the motives and competency of the management.
At the same time, the morale results seem to reflect a more optimistic picture; 19.3 percent of the native English-speaking teachers said that morale was very high or high, in contrast to 33.8 percent that said morale was very low or low. However, 47.1 percent stated that the morale of their fellow native English-speaking teachers was moderate. I would have expected a more pessimistic and gloomy crowd, especially in light of chronic disconnect between the management and teachers and recent outbreak of negative media coverage and instability surrounding the English education debate.
These relatively neutral morale numbers could mean that morale is not directly proportional to the teachers' work environment and that they find more rewarding activities ― personal or otherwise ― outside their primary workplace. It could also mean that the native English-teachers in Korea are a happy lot by nature, with a strong sense of adventure and optimism.
When I asked the native English-speaking teachers to self-evaluate their teaching effectiveness across a range of metrics, it mostly came back positive, which is not surprising. However, it is nevertheless interesting to note that there is a general drop off between the teacher's ability to explain and teacher's overall effectiveness in transferring knowledge to the students, a consistent efficiency gap between a key teaching competency and student learning, as noted by the teachers themselves.
Some of this gap could perhaps be explained by the generally negative regard that the teachers hold for the required teaching materials, including texts. This conclusion is further supported by the fact that only 58 percent thought that texts helped students learn while an overwhelming 84 percent thought that in-class activities helped students learn; in fact, 42 percent thought that texts actually didn't help students learn.
As to the all-important questions about the proposed English Immersion plan, 33 percent of the native English-speaking teachers thought that it will succeed eventually. However, only 7 percent thought that it could succeed within the announcement time frame. In fact, a staggering 70.1 percent believed that the plan would not succeed within the announced time frame.
When it came to the different components of the proposed English Immersion plan, the respondents didn't have a pronounced opinion one way or another, except on the idea to outsource 23,000 teachers. In this, the responses were overwhelmingly negative, with 53.1 percent disagreeing or strongly disagreeing that this aspect of the plan will succeed. In fact, less than 20 percent thought that this aspect of the plan would succeed.
This negative outlook is buttressed by the responses to the question that asked whether their organizations or programs had policies for recruiting and retaining faculty. More than 40 percent said that there were no such policies in place, and 27.6 percent responded that they had policies but they weren't tied to a specific plan or strategy.
Now that we have a glimpse of what the native English-speaking teachers experience at work, my next column will present what their biggest concerns and motivations to teaching English in Korea are. As the last installment of this series, it will also pull together a list of top policy recommendations that the Korean government should consider to make recruiting and retaining native English-speaking teachers more effective.
Jason Lim is a research fellow at the Harvard Korea Institute, researching Asian leadership models. He can be reached at [email protected].
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=19980&categoryCode=168 |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| You mean the fact that native English teachers hate their schools is news? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| How large was his sample group? Was he only interviewing hagwon teachers in Seoul? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The title sort of misled me. I didn't feel like it matched the article at all. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like the research is a bit sketchy to say the least, but at least someone is making an effort.
I just worry that the author states that he will be providing policy input in an upcoming article.
You heard it here first: NO POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE MADE THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN MADE ON DAVE'S! |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| The title sort of misled me. I didn't feel like it matched the article at all. |
I was surprised it didn't have the word GEPIK in the title  |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I like my school I am satisfied with the program.. Yeah its not great but its better then haqwon crap. |
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Gwangwang
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Not all hogwans are crap and not all public schools or universities are great. Balanced comments are reasonable, generalisations are not a fair indication of what actually happens.  |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, any educational institution, be it public or private, is indeed crap if it hires people who are not trained and qualified to teach the target content. If a hakwon has a biology major teaching ESL, it is crap. If a PS has a non-BEd holder without TESOL certification teaching ESL content, it is crap. There may be different levels of crappiness, but make no mistake, they are all crap.
Compounding this is the fact that many hakwons actually have inexperienced, unqualified people actually designing their curriculum and, in some cases, even textbooks! So, while some hakwons may treat their foreign employees better than others, they are all still crap in my book; some are just crappier than others.
Of course, the institutions that take the crap cake are the English Villages. Now THOSE have taken it to a new low!
Nothing will improve here if people keep pulling punches. Nothing will get better if people with time invested in the country keep professing that training and type of degree don't matter. Crap or get off the pot. If you want it to get better, and you want to be part of the improvement, get qualified.
Schools and policy institutions hopefully have a long term plan, although from the policy people I've met and talked with, they do not, particularly concerning native teachers. IF there is ANY long term goal, it is to implement more Korean teachers and phase out the employment of unqualified native speakers (whom most I have met in the government and education fields view with some disdain). |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Get over yourself dood. Speak for yourself.
I consider my self a good teacher. I am not a certified teacher, I have certificates TESOL. I use to teach back home (IT field) I have read many books on teaching styles and teaching theories. Just because I don't have a paper saying I am a teacher that doesn't mean I am shi3t at my job.
The problem is not the teacher but the system, so lets start by saying the system is the problem not the people hired for it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
| ... IF there is ANY long term goal, it is to implement more Korean teachers and phase out the employment of unqualified native speakers (whom most I have met in the government and education fields view with some disdain). |
Not just unqualified native speakers...ANY native speakers. This is not news, it's been discussed at length before. The ultimate goal is to have all English Korean teachers being able to conduct classes in English or at least enough so that there is no need to hire NES. Although that will likely be a long time coming... |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| ... IF there is ANY long term goal, it is to implement more Korean teachers and phase out the employment of unqualified native speakers (whom most I have met in the government and education fields view with some disdain). |
Not just unqualified native speakers...ANY native speakers. This is not news, it's been discussed at length before. The ultimate goal is to have all English Korean teachers being able to conduct classes in English or at least enough so that there is no need to hire NES. Although that will likely be a long time coming... |
You are correct-the sweet girl from Saturday has been teaching since 2004, but is also finishing her Phd in some kind of Data Management. No Native speakers at her school, and this girl should NOT be teaching English-too many words ending in "ee". Then again, that will guarantee Native Speakers jobs here for a long, long time. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The ultimate goal is to have all English Korean teachers being able to conduct classes in English . . . |
Or for that matter, for all English Korean teachers who are ABLE to conduct classes in English to be WILLING to conduct classes in English.
If we can do it, why can't they do it? |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The ultimate goal is to have all English Korean teachers being able to conduct classes in English . . . |
Or for that matter, for all English Korean teachers who are ABLE to conduct classes in English to be WILLING to conduct classes in English.
If we can do it, why can't they do it? |
Read the thread about the retard in itaewon who went to such ridiculous lengths to save face after he bumped chests and fell over himself.
Silly adult children! |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
| You mean the fact that native English teachers hate their schools is news? |
There are people on Dave's who say that some of us are negative. I am a positive person. I doubt I would be having so many issues if I were teaching English in Paris or Tokyo. We really, too often, get dumped on or deal with hagwon or public school directors who are very cheap, try to cheat us etc.... A very good reason why Koreans are not learning English as much as they should is because of how they treat their teachers and how the system is set up, and we don't get support. I was looking at this public school job, and the English head didn't talk to me at all about English. I am serious about teaching English, he didn't seem to be, so what are we supposed to? Anyway, the survey says that 33% of people here are pessimistic of their experience in Korea. I think conforms with my idea 1/3 of the schools are horrible. I didn't say the majority as some. Also, a majority complain about the management, so the ESL picture is quite bad in Korea if you put those two together. That's why Koreans don't speak the much English.
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