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Co-teacher helpful? hurtful?

 
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How does your co-teacher affect your teaching experience?
Helpful
44%
 44%  [ 11 ]
Neutral
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
Annoying, but no big deal
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Hinderance
28%
 28%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 25

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nene



Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Location: Samcheok, Gangwon-do

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Co-teacher helpful? hurtful? Reply with quote

I'm trying to decide if I want to head back to a hagwon or try public school teaching. The co-teacher business (and class size) is my main concern. How do you feel about having a co-teacher in your classes?
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's different at each school. Each ct is also different. I have coteachers who never come to class, ones that come but just sit in the back and play on the computer, ones that only translates when the students or I ask, ones that actively assist me in the classroom.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It varies from school to school, class to class, and CT to CT. Generally speaking, in my experience:

Middle School: a good CT can be quite a help, even if you hardly ever use them. More important than anything is whether they have the students taking public school English seriously. A useless one can make everything an uphill battle.

Vocational / Technical HS: almost essential to make certain things work.

Academic HS: doesn't really make any difference.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Co-teacher helpful? hurtful? Reply with quote

nene wrote:
I'm trying to decide if I want to head back to a hagwon or try public school teaching. The co-teacher business (and class size) is my main concern. How do you feel about having a co-teacher in your classes?


Out of my six coteachers, I have one I wouldn't want to give up.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew a guy who said it's like training a dog. You never raise your voice. You save that for later.

You definately need to give the impression that you're well enough on your own and don't need an owner.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With public school classes sizes averaging over 30 to 40, I'd say the co-teacher comes in handy just for control issues. Also, depends on factors like if the students are male, female, mixed, high school, middle school, academic, etc.

My experience is just middle school. In most classes, for girls, most of the time, you don't really have to worry about control but in my case it averages about 1 in 6 or 7 classes the co-teacher is a godsend. For boys, the hatred ratio guess up to 1/2.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"co-teacher" Laughing ... a waygook face-saving term

in public schools you are an "assistant" to the Korean teacher

that's the official designation and how they see you

i'll stick to hagwons where my classroom is mine and where I am king
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:

in public schools you are an "assistant" to the Korean teacher

that's the official designation and how they see you

i'll stick to hagwons where my classroom is mine and where I am king


So that's why one of my co-teachers sits at the back of class, doing nothing--he needs me to "assist" him by teaching the class alone! Laughing

I thought hagwons saw their FTs as indentured servants. And I am king of my classroom, btw.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:
VanIslander wrote:

in public schools you are an "assistant" to the Korean teacher

that's the official designation and how they see you

i'll stick to hagwons where my classroom is mine and where I am king


So that's why one of my co-teachers sits at the back of class, doing nothing--he needs me to "assist" him by teaching the class alone! Laughing

I thought hagwons saw their FTs as indentured servants. And I am king of my classroom, btw.


I have one CT who will interrupt to translate my instructions into Korean. The rest dont, mostly because I make them simple, and run the class myself.

The others do a little to keep the class quiet, but I do most of that as well. It is not that they are lazy, just that I prefer to run the class. If I dont do the discipline then I dont get the respect.

Hagwon/PS? Swings and roundabouts.

h
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Co-teacher helpful? hurtful? Reply with quote

nene wrote:
I'm trying to decide if I want to head back to a hagwon or try public school teaching. The co-teacher business (and class size) is my main concern. How do you feel about having a co-teacher in your classes?


I work in an elementary school.

I have 2 co-teachers that are good as gold most of the time. Occasionally I would like to give one of them (male, late 30's) a swift kick in the pants but that is no different from any other workplace or co-worker.

I have several co-workers (Korean) that are also great (90% of the time).

The rest range from ignoring me most of the time to simple indifference and professional courtesy similar to what you would expect at any workplace.

Classes are large but really are no problem. If you have problems with anyone AND the co-teacher is NOT in the class simply tell the home-room teacher (or the VP if it is really bad). It will be dealt with quickly and is not likely to be repeated.

Compared to most hakwons, most public schools are a cakewalk and professional courtesies are usually observed.

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nene



Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Location: Samcheok, Gangwon-do

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Thanks to all who have responded.

When you apply for a public school job, you don't apply to the school, right? So you couldn't get any idea ahead of time who your co-teachers would be, or the principal? So it's just hope for the best and be on your best behavior?
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nene wrote:
Interesting. Thanks to all who have responded.

When you apply for a public school job, you don't apply to the school, right? So you couldn't get any idea ahead of time who your co-teachers would be, or the principal? So it's just hope for the best and be on your best behavior?


There are public school jobs that are advertised directly by the schools ... So sometimes you can know which school you are going to .... But it is also important to know with public schools is that in many schools teachers only stay at schools a few years and then are moved around to another school ... and a change in teachers or in vice principal / principal can make a very big difference to your teaching experience in the school ...
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my school, they insist on running the classes. With the exception of the gr5 co-teacher, they won't allow me any input into lesson planning at all. They show up 5 mins. before class and hand me a slip of paper...this is what you're teaching today.

Yesterday I was called into the teachers room and heard that there have been several complaints about my "teaching". Well that's funny 'cause I really haven't been doing any. They say I'm not taking a large enough role in the classroom.... Gee, I wonder why that is?

Perhaps if the co-teachers would actually discuss something with me the day before or the week before, I might be able to prepare something.

Showing up 5 or 10 mins. before class and telling me "you teach this today", just doesn't cut it.

I don't mean to slag them off as teachers. They are fine teachers, they just have no clue how to work with a foreign teacher. Communication is the biggest problem for me. They never tell me anything and then complain because I don't know what is going on.

I am having a meeting with the gr6. co-teacher today. Hopefully we can work some of these problems out.
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