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Israel Minister Warns Palestinians Of Mass Extermination
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Israel Minister Warns Palestinians Of Mass Extermination Reply with quote

Israel Minister Warns Palestinians Of Mass Extermination

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A senior Israeli defense official said on Friday that Palestinians firing rockets from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip would bring upon themselves what he termed a "shoah," the Hebrew word for holocaust or ( burnt offering ) disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_%28disambiguation%29

The word is rarely used in Israel outside discussions of the Nazi Holocaust of Jews. Many Israelis are loath to countenance its use to describe other contemporary events.

Israeli air strikes have killed at least 33 Gazans, including five children, in the past two days, and Israeli leaders said cross-border rocket fire may leave the Jewish state with little choice but to launch a broader military offensive.

One Israeli was killed in a rocket attack on Wednesday in the southern border town of Sderot. Tensions increased further after longer-range rockets hit the city of Ashkelon, a major population centre about 10 km (6 miles) from Gaza.

"The more Qassam (rocket) fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger 'shoah' because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Vilnai told Army Radio.

Vilnai's spokesman said: "Mr. Vilnai was meaning 'disaster'. He did not mean to make any allusion to the genocide." Twisted Evil

Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Arye Mekel, added: "Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai used the Hebrew phrase that included the term 'shoah' in Hebrew in the sense of a disaster or a catastrophe, and not in the sense of a holocaust."

Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said of Vilnai's comments:

"We are facing new Nazis who want to kill and burn the Palestinian people."

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has so far been wary of launching a major ground offensive, which could incur heavy casualties and derail U.S.-backed peace talks with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. But domestic pressure is growing.

Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas's prime minister in the Gaza Strip, described the threat of a major Israeli offensive as "craziness and hysteria," saying:

"Our people are facing a real war."

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak sought to prepare the way for an offensive by sending confidential messages to world leaders, including U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who plans to visit the region next week.

MAJOR OPERATION

"Israel is not keen on and rushing for an offensive, but ... Hamas is ... leaving us no choice," Barak told the leaders, according to Israel's mass circulation daily, Yedioth Ahronoth.

Security sources were quoted by both Israel Radio and Army Radio as saying that a major operation was being prepared but was not yet imminent.

A senior member of Olmert's centrist Kadima party, Tzachi Hanegbi, said the army should prepare to topple Hamas and capture areas used by militants to fire the rockets.

Israel pulled troops and settlers out of the Gaza Strip in 2005 but still maintains control of the territory's air space, coastal waters and major border crossings.

Hamas has raised the stakes in the confrontation by using Soviet-designed Grad missiles, more powerful and accurate than improvised Gazan Qassams, to strike deep into Ashkelon, a city of 120,000 people.

Israel says it can maintain parallel tracks with the Palestinians, one aimed at breaking Hamas's hold on Gaza, and the other aimed at reaching a statehood agreement with Abbas, whose Western-backed Fatah forces were routed from Gaza last June by Iranian-backed Hamas.

Although Abbas and his secular Fatah faction remain deeply hostile to Hamas, the president and his West Bank-based government have publicly criticized Israel for its military actions and for threatening to kill Hamas political leaders.

"The Israeli government ... aims to destroy the peace process," Abbas's spokesman, Nabil Abu Rdainah, said Thursday.

Shunned by the West for refusing to renounce violence after beating Abbas's Fatah faction in a parliamentary election two years ago, Hamas says it would cease fire if Israel stopped its military operations in Gaza and the occupied West Bank.

Hamas is also demanding an end to the Israeli-led blockade that has cut supplies to the territory's 1.5 million people.

(Additional reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Writing by Adam Entous and Joseph Nasr; Editing by Ralph Boulton)

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thepeel



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. It was a disgusting mistranslation.
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Ye gods. The BBC has put out this story:

Quote:
Israel warns of Gaza �holocaust�

Israeli leaders are warning of an imminent conflagration in Gaza after Palestinian militants aimed rockets at the southern city of Ashkelon. The deputy defence minister said the stepped-up rocket fire would trigger what he called a �bigger holocaust� in the Hamas-controlled coastal strip.

This reported remark by deputy defence minister Matan Vilnai caused widespread shock and absolute horror. For an Israeli minister to use the word �holocaust� to describe a limited war of Israeli self-defence, when for Jews of all people the �Holocaust� means one thing: genocide � and this at a time when the calumny of the �Jews as Nazis� is rampant around the world, putting Israel and the Jewish people at risk � was simply beyond belief.
It was indeed without any credibility � because Vilnai never said it. It was an appalling mistranslation by Reuters, the source of the BBC story. Vilnai said:
Quote:

�The more Qassam (rocket) fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger �shoah� because we will use all our might to defend ourselves'.

Reuters translated the Hebrew word �shoah� as �holocaust�. But �shoah� merely means disaster. In Hebrew, the word �shoah� is never used to mean �holocaust� or �genocide� because of the acute historical resonance. The word �Hashoah� alone means �the Holocaust� and �retzach am� means �genocide�. The well-known Hebrew construction used by Vilnai used merely means �bringing disaster on themselves�.


As a subsequent Reuter�s story reported,

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Vilnai's spokesman said: �Mr. Vilnai was meaning �disaster�. He did not mean to make any allusion to the genocide.� Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Arye Mekel, added: �Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai used the Hebrew phrase that included the term 'shoah' in Hebrew in the sense of a disaster or a catastrophe, and not in the sense of a holocaust.�

But this grotesque mistranslation has given Hamas a propaganda gift which they lost no time exploiting:

Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said of Vilnai's comments: �We are facing new Nazis who want to kill and burn the Palestinian people.�

At a time when the rockets continue to rain down on the southern Negev and Israel is being forced to contemplate stepping up its incursions into Gaza because of the truly genocidal assault upon its citizens by Hamas, such a mistranslation is more than an unfortunate slip. In the present explosive atmosphere, it can lead directly to an enormous escalation of violence by the Palestinians.

It is not enough for Reuters to try to cover its backside in subsequent stories. It must issue an explicit retraction, and so must the BBC. Instantly.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/530786/the-mother-of-all-mistranslations.thtml

I'm sure this will live on for decades to come.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a pity-that's what it will take to have Hamaas settle for peace.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually i've long understood the term SHOAH to mean "BURNT OFFERING"

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is GODS War
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Actually i've long understood the term SHOAH to mean "BURNT OFFERING"

MOLOCH



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Dud, you keep asking for a definition of Anti-Semitism-no offense, but you are not smart.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major irony is that Palestinians are semitic, Israelis are NOT ... period.

The phony term anti-semit-ism is intellectualy dishonest & morally offensive.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you posting articles without commenting on their content? Is the posting a comment in and of itself? Wow, things were quiet there for awhile. I like quiet.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually i've long understood the term SHOAH to mean "BURNT OFFERING"
no.
You've confused SHOA with Holocaust:
(from wiki)
The term holocaust originally derived from the Greek word hol�kauston, meaning a "completely (holos) burnt (kaustos)" sacrificial offering to a god.
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Major irony is that Palestinians are semitic, Israelis are NOT ... period.
The phony term anti-semit-ism is intellectualy dishonest & morally offensive.
No.
Originally, "Semitic" referred to a family of languages in the middle east (incl Hebrew).
Semitic refers NOT ONLY to Palenstinians but Jewish, Arabs, Phoenicians and a couple others. MORE irony? You imply that Palestinians are a people or race and not an accidental/incidental group: If I would have thought ANYONE would know that, it'd be you.

I mean, the name COMES from a Jewish person in the Bible (Shem), so it's pretty ludicrous to be so adament that it doesn't refer to Jewish people.
It's first recorded usage was to describe languages related to Hebrew but it has since expanded. In common parlance, "Anti-Semite" refers to anti-judaism. This is how the English language changes: It's not a precise definition, but your understanding is just plain wronger. And funny that your incorrect understanding of the history of the word SUDDENLY has become a MORAL issue for you.


Sounds like you have your priorities straightenned right out.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cue Joo Rip.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of all this other bs, the people in Gaza have asked for a major asswhuppin. Me thinks they shall receive. You sow the wind and well........
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of asswhuppings.....

igotthisguitar wrote:
Major irony is that Palestinians are semitic, Israelis are NOT ... period.

The phony term anti-semit-ism is intellectualy dishonest & morally offensive.


I've absolutely demolished this previously. The dictionary definition of antisemitism is 'discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews' (Origin: 1880�85).

Analogy: Mexicans and Canadians are Americans, but antiamericanism refers to 'discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward people, principles, policies of the United States of America specifically'.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A must read ( for all history buffs especially ) :

Lenni Brenner
Zionism in the Age of the Dictators
A Reappraisal
(1983)

In lieu of a new introduction
Edward Mortimer: Contradiction, collusion and controversy
(A review from the London Times)



Preface
1. Zionism and Anti-Semitism Prior to the Holocaust
2. Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil): The Roots of Racist Zionism
3. German Zionism and the Collapse of the Weimar Republic
4. Zionism and Italian Fascism, 1922-1933

5. German Zionism Offers to Collaborate with Nazism

6. The Jewish Anti-Nazi Boycott and the Zionist-Nazi Trade Agreement

7. Hitler Looks at Zionism

8. Palestine � The Arabs, Zionists, British and Nazis
9. The World Jewish Congress
10. Zionist-Revisionism and Italian Fascism

11. Revisionism and Nazism
12. Georg Kareski, Hitler's Zionist Quisling Before Quisling
13. Choosing the Chosen People � The Doctrine of ��Zionist Cruelty��
14. The World Zionist Organisation and Italian Fascism, 1933-1937

15. Austria and the ��Gentile Friends of Zionism��
16. The Jewish Parties of Eastern Europe
17. Spain � The Nazis Fight, the Zionists Do Not

18. Zionism's Failure to Fight Nazism in the Liberal Democracies
19. Zionism and the Japanese East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere

20. Poland, 1918-1939

21. Zionism in Holocaust Poland
22. Zionist Collusion with the Polish Government-in-Exile

23. Illegal Immigration

24. The Wartime Failure to Rescue
25. Hungary, the Crime Within a Crime

26. The Stern Gang

Appendix
Stern Gang: Proposal of Irgun Zvai Leumi Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question
and Participation in the War on the Side of Germany (1941)

(The German original)

Glossary of Jewish and Zionist Organisations

Abbreviations

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/

caniff wrote:
Cue Joo Rip.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a Marxist website! Very Happy

Good call, guitar. That's the kind of place to find THE truth. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
From a Marxist website! Very Happy

Good call, guitar. That's the kind of place to find THE truth. Rolling Eyes


Hi Mosley ...

Familiar with the term GENETIC FALLACY?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

Think about it.
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