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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Advice on these two hagwons, please? |
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Since I can't seem to get more than a one-word string successfully searched here on Dave's, I'm going to ask for advice on two schools whose offers seem okay. What does anyone know about Korea Times Language Institute (two subway stops from Apgujeong) and Direct English (Pagoda), 6 locations in the Seoul area? Which is more accommodating to bringing my wife and 2-year-old? With 21 months previous hagwon experience, is another hagwon the way to go?
Thanks for the advice, and please point me to any previous threads dealing with either. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Try getting a public school gig if you can. You'd be a government civil servant, work fewer hours and get many perks the hagwons do not offer. Trust me, I did the hagwons (Shims) and they suck. Public schools are 100% better. |
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lawyertood
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| I can at least direct you to the Job-related Discussion Forum. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Ditto on the job related forum and the public school job.
I'm contributing nothing because I'm drunk! |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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BreakfastInBed
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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Happy birthday Underwaterbob!
OP, can't help with the hagwons but I give a third vote for public school. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Don't even consider any hagwon job. They are for people off the boat who don't know any better. a public school job will have waaaay less hours, waaaay more time off, and will lead to university jobs, which blow everything else out of the water.
haggies are for fresh meat, pure and simple. and I worked for the best of them, and they still blow. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Don't even consider any hagwon job. They are for people off the boat who don't know any better. a public school job will have waaaay less hours, waaaay more time off, and will lead to university jobs, which blow everything else out of the water.
haggies are for fresh meat, pure and simple. and I worked for the best of them, and they still blow. |
Public schools are also good for people looking for less pay, way bigger classes with their problems (differing levels, control, etc.) and possibly a school where you are the only person who speaks English.
Hagwons are not only for fresh meat, as you put it. I prefer hagwons simply because I like teaching smaller classes, I like the much higher pay, and my hours are less than my friends teaching in public schools.
Also, not everyone thinks unis are as great as you. I find teaching young kids to be far more rewarding than adults or older kids. I guess we're just different. Everyone is different.
To the OP, talk to the current teachers there and get their take on things. That's the only way to really know what the school is like. And make sure their boss isn't standing over them when they do talk to you, that will make a difference in the answers they give.
Cheers
KPRROK |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| kprrok wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Don't even consider any hagwon job. They are for people off the boat who don't know any better. a public school job will have waaaay less hours, waaaay more time off, and will lead to university jobs, which blow everything else out of the water.
haggies are for fresh meat, pure and simple. and I worked for the best of them, and they still blow. |
Public schools are also good for people looking for less pay, way bigger classes with their problems (differing levels, control, etc.) and possibly a school where you are the only person who speaks English.
Hagwons are not only for fresh meat, as you put it. I prefer hagwons simply because I like teaching smaller classes, I like the much higher pay, and my hours are less than my friends teaching in public schools.
Also, not everyone thinks unis are as great as you. I find teaching young kids to be far more rewarding than adults or older kids. I guess we're just different. Everyone is different.
To the OP, talk to the current teachers there and get their take on things. That's the only way to really know what the school is like. And make sure their boss isn't standing over them when they do talk to you, that will make a difference in the answers they give.
Cheers
KPRROK |
Call me crazy, but teaching 12 hours a week with 4.5 months vacation would appear to beat the hell out of a hagwon. My pay is better too, but I know some uni's don't pay very well. I just think hagwons are basically s!it. But good on ya if you found a good one. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: hagwons |
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| If you found a "good" hagwon your one of the few I've heard of. I did Hagwons first time over. They DO NOT pay more and my class size averages around 30. And YES, you get way more time off with a set schedule. My working hours are from 10-6. You know a hagwon that can beat that please p.m. me. Been there, done that, know the difference.. |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| kprrok wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Don't even consider any hagwon job. They are for people off the boat who don't know any better. a public school job will have waaaay less hours, waaaay more time off, and will lead to university jobs, which blow everything else out of the water.
haggies are for fresh meat, pure and simple. and I worked for the best of them, and they still blow. |
Public schools are also good for people looking for less pay, way bigger classes with their problems (differing levels, control, etc.) and possibly a school where you are the only person who speaks English.
Cheers
KPRROK |
I am a newbie at a public school and I am making more than ALL (maybe 10 or so) of my newbie friends at hagwons. Plus, I've already had about 2 months of vacation. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: hog-wons |
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| listen to the man. There are days when I have NO classes and don't give me that b.s. about liking all the hours because you came here to teach blah, blah, blah. Only a fool would want more hours and less$$. Gimme a break. P. S. Right now I'm going back to surfthechannel.com and watch "The Shield". Don't forget your lesson plan. I don't do mine. My co-teacher does. Yes, co-teacher. And discipline? He's got that covered too. Call me lazy if you want. When I go home, (my hours are 10-6) I'm ready to ROCK, not sleep. Jeeeezzzz |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: hagwons |
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| mikeyboy122 wrote: |
| If you found a "good" hagwon your one of the few I've heard of. I did Hagwons first time over. They DO NOT pay more and my class size averages around 30. And YES, you get way more time off with a set schedule. My working hours are from 10-6. You know a hagwon that can beat that please p.m. me. Been there, done that, know the difference.. |
You work 8 hours per day.
I work 4-6 hours per day. 2-6PM three days per week and 3-9PM two days per week. Can you beat that? No.
You say haggies have 30 kids per class?
My smallest class is one kid and my biggest is 8 kids.
All of my kids want to learn English-e. Their parents spend a LOT of money for them to come to my hagwon. How much are the public school rat kids paying to attend your class and sleep, write on the desks, talk to their friends, or hold hands with their closes same sex partner? Almost nil
How effective are you seeing 30 kids once a week for 40 minutes? Are you really making a difference?
I'm sure you're a great teacher, but I have no doubt that you'd be more effective in front of a smaller number of students....hell, anyone would. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: teaching |
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| goes without saying. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: pgf |
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| I did not say I "work" 8 hours a day. I'm just on campus for that time. Actual working hours, 2 or 3, maybe. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. you have worked public, right? I see. |
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