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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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 Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Hillary takes the high road, supports her fellow candidate |
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What? You thought I was talking about Obama? She wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. Hillary just decided to support McCain:
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"I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant's bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.
"I believe that I've done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said.
Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a "distinguished man with a great history of service to our country," Clinton said, "Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with." |
Here's a thought: maybe she, Zell Miller, and Joe Lieberman can go form a party together. 'Cause whatever the hell they are, they're not Democrats. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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This is no worse than Obama claiming Bill Clinton didn't have the kind of support Reagan had.
The OH-TX primary results really shook you up, didn't they?  |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| This is no worse than Obama claiming Bill Clinton didn't have the kind of support Reagan had. |
That's history. This is a campaign. It's worse.
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| The OH-TX primary results really shook you up, didn't they? |
Nah, I put a fair bit of money on Obama right after OH/TX. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: Hillary takes the high road, supports her fellow candida |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
What? You thought I was talking about Obama? She wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. Hillary just decided to support McCain:
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"I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant's bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.
"I believe that I've done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said.
Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a "distinguished man with a great history of service to our country," Clinton said, "Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with." |
Here's a thought: maybe she, Zell Miller, and Joe Lieberman can go form a party together. 'Cause whatever the hell they are, they're not Democrats. |
Of course the Clinton supporters are going to deny, deny, deny. Same slime different day. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Professional wrestling in expensive 3-piece business suits.
Hmmmm ... now how did they ever manage to get up from that hit?
SMACKDOWN !!! |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| How is your candidate doing these day IGTG? |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Jonathan Chait has a good piece up at TNR. The title ("Go Already!") pretty much gives it away, but here are the best grafs:
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Clinton's path to the nomination, then, involves the following steps: kneecap an eloquent, inspiring, reform-minded young leader who happens to be the first serious African American presidential candidate (meanwhile cementing her own reputation for Nixonian ruthlessness) and then win a contested convention by persuading party elites to override the results at the polls. The plan may also involve trying to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations, after having explicitly agreed that the results would not count toward delegate totals. Oh, and her campaign has periodically hinted that some of Obama's elected delegates might break off and support her. I don't think she'd be in a position to defeat Hitler's dog in November, let alone a popular war hero.
Some Clinton supporters, like my friend (and historian) David Greenberg, have been assuring us that lengthy primary fights go on all the time and that the winner doesn't necessarily suffer a mortal wound in the process. But Clinton's kamikaze mission is likely to be unusually damaging. Not only is the opportunity cost--to wrap up the nomination, and spend John McCain into the ground for four months--uniquely high, but the venue could not be less convenient. Pennsylvania is a swing state that Democrats will almost certainly need to win in November, and Clinton will spend seven weeks and millions of dollars there making the case that Obama is unfit to set foot in the White House. You couldn't create a more damaging scenario if you tried.
Imagine in 2000, or 2004, that George W. Bush faced a primary fight that came down to Florida (his November must-win state). Imagine his opponent decided to spend seven weeks pounding home the theme that Bush had a dangerous plan to privatize Social Security. Would this have improved Bush's chances of defeating the Democrats? Would his party have stood for it? |
The problem, as usual, is that Democrats don't have the unity and party structure they need to deal with this kind of contingency. It is literally insane to allow Hillary three more months of sustained negative campaigning against Obama. Whoever wins the nomination, they'd be irreparably damaged -- as Chait points out, negative campaigning is a negative-sum game where both the attacker and attackee suffer, especially in intramural fights -- and the only winner is McCain.
The Democrats really are going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this year. I never thought it could happen, but this is pretty much a perfect storm. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Well yeah and then if they lose a protracted fight for the nomination, then they can turn around a blame us if the Democrats lost in November. Talk about knee-capping someone. In the short run, the only thing that matters is her winning the nomination. It's nice when people put their own ambition ahead of party unity. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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There are no more national political parties in this country. They've been knuckled under by huge amounts of cash and an electorate of simpletons who can't be bothered to actually research a candidate's positions, who instead vote based on their "gut" and how many times they've heard a guys name on CNN.
Yes, I am an elitist. Why in God's name wouldn't I be? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
There are no more national political parties in this country. They've been knuckled under by huge amounts of cash and an electorate of simpletons who can't be bothered to actually research a candidate's positions, who instead vote based on their "gut" and how many times they've heard a guys name on CNN.
Yes, I am an elitist. Why in God's name wouldn't I be? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/27025/1/colbert_reich_030508.wmv |
Reich?
Robert Reich was a major economic advisor to Clinton, one of the original inner circle. As you'll remember, Clinton's campaign slogan, one of them anyway, was "It's the economy, stupid." So, the first weeks in office were spent largely debating how to fix the economy.
Reich was a traditionalist hard leftist economist, and Clinton decided to approach the economy differently than Reich wanted. (This is all in Clinton's My Life)
Of course, Clinton's approach was not only wildly successful, but it was also a far more acceptable path for the entire country. Politics is the art of the possible.
Well, today America is center-right economically. People believe they should have to work hard to be successful. No doubt Hillary and Barack's economic platforms both are to the left of William Jefferson Clinton's. But, besides being heavily influenced by John Edwards, the country has also come off of six years of Super-capitalism (that is the title of Reich's new book).
I guess what I'm trying to say is, Reich got to the highest position of power he'll ever be in his life, and was sidelined. And the position Clinton took to sideline Reich is one that has defined his legacy: Clinton's economic success.
Nevertheless, the chocolate bunny comment is hilarious. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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You know, if I were a Hillary supporter, I would be kicking her ass right now. Denouncing, writing her HQ, generally throwing my weight around. If Obama ever acts like Hillary's acting now, I'll do the same.
And yet there is resounding silence from the Hillary folks as their candidate demonstrates a willingness to put McCain in office rather than stick to the high road and win the primary on her merits. Kinda makes you think, doesn't it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
And yet there is resounding silence from the Hillary folks as their candidate demonstrates a willingness to put McCain in office rather than stick to the high road and win the primary on her merits. Kinda makes you think, doesn't it. |
Yeah, it makes me wonder why Barack doesn't accept Hillary's unity ticket offer.
I mean, if Obama felt so threatened by a long primary, that'd be an offer she'd find hard to refused. My thinking is, he's willing to ride out a long primary. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| stillnotking wrote: |
And yet there is resounding silence from the Hillary folks as their candidate demonstrates a willingness to put McCain in office rather than stick to the high road and win the primary on her merits. Kinda makes you think, doesn't it. |
Yeah, it makes me wonder why Barack doesn't accept Hillary's unity ticket offer.
I mean, if Obama felt so threatened by a long primary, that'd be an offer she'd find hard to refused. My thinking is, he's willing to ride out a long primary. |
Nice try at changing the subject, and a continuation of your resounding silence on Hillary's conduct. Thanks for the response, though, it is always worthwhile to know where someone's coming from. |
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