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bucheon bum
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 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: Ron Paul Hints He's Quitting |
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Yahoo news article
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WASHINGTON - GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is hinting to supporters that he is ending his long-shot campaign for the presidency.
The Texas Republican congressman addressed supporters in a 7 1/2-minute video on his campaign Web site Thursday night and did not specifically say he was quitting the race.
He said that although victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to the hard work and enthusiasm of his supporters. |
Sorry Joo, doesn't look like the US economy is going to benefit any longer from RP's campaign. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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A little Ray Charles is in order...
And you have stolen the thunder from my celebratory thread. But this news is too potentially good to fight over it. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Oh come on Gopher, don't dance on poor Ron Paul's grave.
Just kidding...as you were. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| I hope he doesn't quit. I kinda liked his useless Don Quicks-oat campaign. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| If you actually listen to the message, he makes it clear that the campaign will continue until the convention. He is just letting his supporters know that they should be happy that they did better than anyone expected and that they shouldn't expect to win the nomination. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul Hammers Neo-Con Rival To Retain Congressional Seat
ABC News still claims it was close-fought, despite fact that margin of victory was Congressman's biggest ever in District 14
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, March 5, 2008
Ron Paul comprehensively defeated main rival Chris Peden last night to retain his Congressional seat and display a metaphorical middle finger to Neo-Con attack dogs who had attempted to deceive the public into doubting the Congressman's chances by making out it was a close-fought race.
Neo-Cons have egg on their faces this morning after Paul hammered Peden 70-30 to retain his seat in the House of Congress.
Even after the results came in, ABC News were still at it, claiming today, "The fiery Republican with a libertarian bent survived a strong challenge to his day job in Congress on Tuesday, besting a well-funded challenger."
Well-funded? Ron Paul raked in $500,000 in the past month compared to Peden's pathetic $20,000.
How on earth can $20,000 be described as well-funded?
Writing that Paul's presidential run, "Nearly came back to bite him at home," the report conveniently fails to mention the margin by which Paul tanked his opponent - a margin 10 points higher than when Paul defeated Democrat Shane Sklar in 2006 and his easiest victory in any Congressional election since he first ran for District 14.
MORE ...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2008/030508_hammers_rival.htm |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| supporters know that they should be happy that they did better than anyone expected |
Ummm...that is not exactly how this was supposed to work out according to the KoolAid drinkers a couple of months ago...there was something about a 'tsunami' sweeping RP to victory.
Please tell us how this defeat was caused by the media not giving him enough attention, rather than his ideas being flakey and no one except the wingnuts wanted to hear what he had to say. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Please tell us how this defeat was caused by the media not giving him enough attention |
Sure. (actually nobody can prove that this is what caused the defeat, but it's easy enough to prove that there was very miniscule media coverage) Let's see if you can still claim with a straight face that Ron Paul got too much media coverage after this:
Results for the week Jan 21st - 27th. Source: http://www.journalism.org/node/9512 :
No smarmy 'well he only deserves that much coverage' from you, because your argument all along has been that Ron Paul received too much media coverage.
Two more quick examples for you. There are bazillions more. I was starting to think for a while there last month or so that Ron Paul's middle name was Longshot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoSX_b4lSo
And here:
http://adamkemp.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/03/1202405-ridiculous-media-bias-ron-pauls-biggest-challenger?friends=true
Notice something odd about the Republican side? (at the time Ron Paul had 11%) Yet there's enough room for Richardson's name on the left even though he had 2%.
It's not a conspiracy, simply stupidity. Romney got it quite a bit as well. Iowa - WOW! Wyoming - hm? (Romney won here) NH - WOW! Michigan - where's that? Nevada - zuh? (Romney cleaned up in those two) South Carolina - HOLY F*CK! and so on.
That brings up another peeve of mine, something I call hockey stats. You know how those work - team a hasn't won a game against team b while short a captain since 1973. Team x never loses to team y when they switch their goalie in the third period, and all the rest of them that mean nothing in the real world. In politics it's similar - South Carolina is a bellweather state for the south and no presidential candidate has won without it (the actual trumpeted stat might be a bit different, I don't remember), no president can win without Ohio, blah blah blah. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Also, here's what sloppy media coverage ("HILLARY WINS TEXAS BIG! SHE'S BACK Y'ALL!!!!!" as apposed to the correct "Hillary gains 9 delegates in primaries, waiting on outcome of caucuses - nomination still a near mathematical impossibility") might result in (your worst nightmare):
So it's not just Ron Paul that's affected. He got the worst of it, but it's not the media ganging up on just him. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Where is Mike Gravel? He got even less coverage than your guy.
It's my contention that the media, which has a limited amount of time to allot, must allot it to the candidates that speak to the public, not to a small coterie of rabid followers. Circle jerks do not make for reasonable political coverage.
People who follow a far out candidate can choose one of two explanations:
a) Our message was wrong and we need to go read some basic history books.
b) The media is in a conspiracy to keep the truth away from the benighted public who are too stupid for their own good. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-Ta,
Mithridates is right. The media coverage is B.S.
Nevertheless, Ron Paul's candidacy was not doomed for that. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Ron Paul Hints He's Quitting |
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="bucheon bum"]Yahoo news article
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WASHINGTON - GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is hinting to supporters that he is ending his long-*beep* campaign for the presidency.
The Texas Republican congressman addressed supporters in a 7 1/2-minute video on his campaign Web site Thursday night and did not specifically say he was quitting the race.
He said that although victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to the hard work and enthusiasm of his supporters. |
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Sorry Joo, doesn't look like the US economy is going to benefit any longer from RP's campaign.[ |
Maybe we can get RP's overseas supporters to keep sending him money.
It is not like they pay much attention to reality anyway.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| The media coverage is B.S. |
Last I heard "the media" were private, independent organizations with the right to include and exclude as they saw fit. That they do so is hardly at issue here. What is at issue is whether the media is supposed to behave the way some here are suggesting it is supposed to behave -- and whether, if it is not behaving this way, we can fault it and say things like "the media coverage is B.S."
One can either (a) receive some or all of its information critically and/or pay some or all of it no attention in the first place or (b) start one's own station, newspaper, or magazine and contest the media's worldviews and priorities with one's own. People already do this with the infinite and increasingly irrelevant blogs that appear every day. But, in any case, faulting "the media," a grouping of private interests, for failing to give Ron Paul sufficient coverage, implying that such a duty existed in the first place, and that this negligence explains his campaign's trajectory, simply does not fly. We call this "scapegoating."
For another thing, Ron Paul's campaign dominated "media" coverage on the Internet and places like Youtube.com.
However this may be, if we want to understand why Ron Paul's campaign flopped, and flopped from the first primary, we need to look at Ron Paul and his message -- not how the press covered and spun it. I seem to recall his provoking a very strong negative reaction in the Republican debate where he blamed "American foreign policy" and only "American foreign policy" for 9/11.
So what about this hypothesis? Republican voters heard Ron Paul's message loud and clear and they soundly rejected him and it in each and every primary election. And no amount of media coverage could have produced a different outcome. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| The media coverage is B.S. |
Last I heard "the media" were private, independent organizations with the right to include and exclude as they saw fit. That they do so is hardly at issue here.
What is at issue is whether the media is supposed to behave the way some here are suggesting it is supposed to behave -- and whether,
if it is not behaving this way, we can fault it and say things like "the media coverage is B.S." |
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=media+concentration&gbv=2 |
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