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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Do you believe in premonitions? |
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I think I am generally a standard guy, maybe a philosopher in some ways, spiritual in many others, but also a person who values science, but I sometimes get feelings I cannot explain. I have a friend in Daejeon.
He had two British co-workers do a midnight run. I asked him the week before if things were okay with them. I had some kind of feeling. I never met these people, by the way. I also had this feeling his hagwon would have to look for someone in Daejeon. What do you know?
The couple pulled a runner. And she is a great boss and has no one to fill in the mornings over there in Daejeon. That is horrible of them. Perhaps, the girlfriend couldn't handle Korea, and they decided to pack it in. I understand runners when a boss is horrible, but when you get the great boss out there, it really disappoints me when foreigners do that.. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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yes, but as paul harvey sez we'll never "...know the rest of the story".
goooood day! |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Nope. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| This could be confirmation bias..maybe you just don't notice/remember when your premonitions are wrong. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| This could be confirmation bias..maybe you just don't notice/remember when your premonitions are wrong. |
Actually, I don't really have wrong premonitions. I either draw a blank and have no answer or have a certain feeling. I have a very funny story. It is no joke. A friend of mine in Canada was in B.C. because his father was ill. He is a secular Jew, but he doesn't really like pork.
I had this dream about him eating pork and there being a rationale for him to eat it for some reason. I call him in B.C. to check on him, and he mentioned eating ham out of the blue. Of course, this is a weird example, but it is true. I have tried to ignore premonitions as something illogical, and when I do that I have paid for it. I think there is no scientific explanation for feelings, so I ignore these things. However, I could be wrong that there can be a scientific explanation for feeling certain things beyond the five senses. I read of how dogs can tell if their owners are returning home without seeing them. Why not? |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| This could be confirmation bias..maybe you just don't notice/remember when your premonitions are wrong. |
Actually, I don't really have wrong premonitions. I either draw a blank and have no answer or have a certain feeling. I have a very funny story. It is no joke. A friend of mine in Canada was in B.C. because his father was ill. He is a secular Jew, but he doesn't really like pork.
I had this dream about him eating pork and there being a rationale for him to eat it for some reason. I call him in B.C. to check on him, and he mentioned eating ham out of the blue. Of course, this is a weird example, but it is true. I have tried to ignore premonitions as something illogical, and when I do that I have paid for it. I think there is no scientific explanation for feelings, so I ignore these things. However, I could be wrong that there can be a scientific explanation for feeling certain things beyond the five senses. I read of how dogs can tell if their owners are returning home without seeing them. Why not? |
Feck logic, keep with the coincidences and premonitions. My brother is obsessed with coincidences (sounds crazy), but becase of it he has met and re-met so many people and stumbled into so much wealth it's not sensible. Hopefully your next coincidence won't be a jew/pork story but a you/money story. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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100%?
OK this seems testable. First we need some parameters. How often do you have these weird feelings? Do you identify them as premonitions before or after the confirmation?
For example in the case with your friend,,did you connect the dream and what he said after or before? did you expect him to mention eating ham?
If you connect this after, then it is obviously just a coincidence. Your dreams that do not produce such coincidences are forgotten.
Now if you make this connection before and expect something to happen before it does occur, then that is a completely different animal. Since you can identify the premonition before the event, you can keep a premonition diary, Record the premonition, and what you expect to happen as clearly as possible. Try not to vague here. Then see if your premonitions turn out to be right. If you are still hitting a 100%, have yourself checked out buy science. I'm sure there is money in this for you.
Personally I'm almost certain that this is a case if you only remembering the hits, but I'll keep an open mind. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Back in the summer of 2004 I had a number of intense and strange dreams. This is before I came over to Seoul.
Two of the dreams involved me traveling to a new city.
The first one I was walking on a street in an Asian city. After the dream I thought that perhaps it was what Seoul was going to be like when I would soon move there.
However, when I moved to Seoul and have since been living there, nothing in that previous dream connected to what I had seen in Seoul to that point.
But then I traveled to Taipei for a vacation and while walking on the street I had realized this was the exact same place I had seen in my dream three years earlier.
Another dream during that same summer had me driving in a car in a city with wide boulevards and massive buildings along it. I though this was the city of Calgary in the future for some reason.
However, when I was traveling in Beijing in the spring of last year I relaized that this too was the exact same city I had seen in my dreams. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Most stuff you have to believe in isn't true. That does not mean you aren't having premonitions, nor that there are not ghosts, or other strange things. Though maybe you aren't having them and imagine them. I can't tell. But people used to think a guy in a flying chariot would bring the sun up and carry it across the sky. Maybe if you are having them, people 2000 years from now will look back and completely understand them and they will be the norm. Again, you could be making it up too or making a mistake.
People do tend to notice different things and stuff does happen all the time when they thought of it or something like that (coincidences). It's just people only take notice of when they happen, not the million times they don't. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Do you believe in premonitions? |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
I think I am generally a standard guy, maybe a philosopher in some ways, spiritual in many others, but also a person who values science, but I sometimes get feelings I cannot explain. I have a friend in Daejeon.
He had two British co-workers do a midnight run. I asked him the week before if things were okay with them. I had some kind of feeling. I never met these people, by the way. I also had this feeling his hagwon would have to look for someone in Daejeon. What do you know?
The couple pulled a runner. And she is a great boss and has no one to fill in the mornings over there in Daejeon. That is horrible of them. Perhaps, the girlfriend couldn't handle Korea, and they decided to pack it in. I understand runners when a boss is horrible, but when you get the great boss out there, it really disappoints me when foreigners do that.. |
Was it also because they didn't want to return the airfare I wonder?
As for premonition, I think the greatest computer in the world(our brains without the soju) makes calculations all the time without us being conscious of it. You probably "sensed" something wasn't quite right with that couple. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Do you believe in premonitions? |
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| spiritual in many others |
For example? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyone has premonitions all the time. But we only remember the ones that turn out correct, and forget all the failures. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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100%?
OK this seems testable. First we need some parameters. How often do you have these weird feelings? Do you identify them as premonitions before or after the confirmation?
[I can't say how often. They just all of a sudden happen randomly. So for the how often it is random. As far as identifying, they might pop up, and I may dismiss them as something stupid that don't make sense, and then what do you know what I feel is "told" happens. I will give an example, but this could be just 100% coincidence. I was thinking of a Simon and Garfunkel song in particular, and I go into this cafe at my university, and it was playing. Of course, that could be 100% simple coincidence as we might say. A friend believes so much in coincidences, and I don't like to be one who does. Oh yes, I remembered another example. My brother several years back I felt wanted to tell me certain things, and then by e-mail he wrote those things. What about this one?
Hearing a person's thought before it's uttered. I am not talking about your best friend.
For example in the case with your friend,,did you connect the dream and what he said after or before? did you expect him to mention eating ham?
[I connected what my friend said afterwards. I thought it was a freaky thought. I remembered the thoughts after he said it.
If you connect this after, then it is obviously just a coincidence. Your dreams that do not produce such coincidences are forgotten.
[That's possible, but that thought was unusual. I never thought about my friend and eating ham before that. Well, now he won't stop talking about all the different things he eats, but that is another story:) I am not necessarily referring to dreams. I am talking about thoughts sometimes come into my mind sometimes like warnings out of nowhere some kind of intuition. If I could predict those things, scientifically watch those things, I would.
Now if you make this connection before and expect something to happen before it does occur, then that is a completely different animal. Since you can identify the premonition before the event, you can keep a premonition diary, Record the premonition, and what you expect to happen as clearly as possible. Try not to vague here. Then see if your premonitions turn out to be right. If you are still hitting a 100%, have yourself checked out buy science. I'm sure there is money in this for you.
[Well, well... I was in a situation where something was warning me something, and I was half expecting that could happen, but I didn't want it to happen, and I went into it. I got burned. I doubt you can really scientific measure these things even if they existed. Let us say miracles actually happen, for example, science still has no explanation for them even if a scientist saw one in front of his eyes. Granted, I haven't seen a miracle.
When it comes to the paranormal, no one has been able to prove things like remote viewing, telepathy, or things beyond the five senses. I have experimented with thoughts. I think thoughts are worth experimenting with, the human mind whatever it is, is very fascinating. I remember wanting a certain something to happen, envisioning it, and it happened. I refused to give up, lose faith. Maybe, it was simply coincidence. I don't know. I just believe you've got nothing to lose. Norman Vincent Peale talked about it in the Power of Positive Thinking. Of course, in religion, people believe that some people can see things before they transpire or make them occur.
Personally I'm almost certain that this is a case if you only remembering the hits, but I'll keep an open mind. |
[Not really. These are things that come like a strong radio signal when they come different than others. The others are just your everyday.
We do believe in science that thoughts have energy and we believe in energy and matter. Certain thoughts I have seem stronger than others.
As far as you trying to keep an open-mind, I am trying to do the same.
I am skeptical, myself.
I have heard the US Government has been open to the idea of the paranormal and funded resarch into it. Anyone think that's true? I am an open-minded person. I see possibilities in many things. If animals it can be shown can feel when their owner is returning before seeing them, and that was scientifically tested, why can't we mere human beings who are also animals sense certain things that are hard to test? What would you label the idea of dogs going to the window as soon as their master is returning without seeing him return? If it happens over and over is it simply coincidence? Why can't thought patterns be felt between people over distances? I am a skeptic, but open-minded. I like proof, but I don't think we need to wait for proof before believing, experimenting, or trying. Frankly, I don't believe scientists stumble upon their findings simply by thinking. They feel certain things. We can't really it simply just comes from their mind by sitting and cogitating. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| If animals it can be shown can feel when their owner is returning before seeing them, and that was scientifically tested? |
I think I know the test you are referring to. It wasn't scientific. It was an incredible flawed test. If you are a kceptic as you claim you should try visiting the sceptics guide to the universe. I'm sure they've covered this many times as has James Randi.
http://www.randi.org/
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/
The best skeptic pod cast out there.
There's nothing wrong with being open minded, just don't let your brains fall out. Nothing wrong with following hunches and investigating ghosts. Just use the scientific method if you are going to call it science. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard the US Government has been open to the idea of the paranormal and funded resarch into it. Anyone think that's true?
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Yes, the US government wasted a lot of money on such studies, involving ESP and remote viewing. All their research has either turned up negative, or was methodologically flawed.
More skilled research has shown that people claiming to have psychic abilities are using a variety of magician's tricks to fool researchers.
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If animals it can be shown can feel when their owner is returning before seeing them, and that was scientifically tested, why can't we mere human beings who are also animals sense certain things that are hard to test? What would you label the idea of dogs going to the window as soon as their master is returning without seeing him return? If it happens over and over is it simply coincidence?
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I heard once that dogs have a more sensitive sense of smell and hearing than humans, so maybe it has something to do with that. |
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