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MA_TESOL

Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: Submitting to TESOL Journals |
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| Has anyone here submitted papers to any TESOL Journals? What was your paper on>? What was your experience? Any suggestion on a good journal to submit to for a first timer? |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Submitting to TESOL Journals |
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| Has anyone here submitted papers to any TESOL Journals? What was your paper on>? What was your experience? Any suggestion on a good journal to submit to for a first timer? |
Hi MA TESOL,
This is a difficult question to answer as there are a lot of different factors one must consider before publishing. Is your work research based? Is it new to the field? Is it a practical article? What area of TESOL is it based on? There are a lot of questions you'll need to provide us if you want specific recommendations.
Me.
http://www.ralphsesljunction.com/publications.html if you are interested. This may give you an idea as to what you can submit for someone new to publishing. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I submitted an article on the use of electro-shock therapy to increase retention in second language acquisition in male subjects. My studies followed Pavlov's work quite closely, and included soju as a prize to students who answered questions correctly, or a shock if they answered incorrectly. Sadly, student speaking ability and retention suffered after the first thirty minutes of the test. In virtually every case, test subjects were reduced to a blathering pool of piss, vomit, and tears after three hours.
Ultimately, my work was criticized, and proven to be lacking, as many other Korean professors noted that I had not included a pass for a free room salon trip at the end of the test, proving that my test, and the subsequent results, were flawed. They felt that any Korean male might react in the same sad way if not allowed his room salon visit after drinking heavily. |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I submitted an article on the use of electro-shock therapy to increase retention in second language acquisition in male subjects. My studies followed Pavlov's work quite closely, and included soju as a prize to students who answered questions correctly, or a shock if they answered incorrectly. Sadly, student speaking ability and retention suffered after the first thirty minutes of the test. In virtually every case, test subjects were reduced to a blathering pool of piss, vomit, and tears after three hours.
Ultimately, my work was criticized, and proven to be lacking, as many other Korean professors noted that I had not included a pass for a free room salon trip at the end of the test, proving that my test, and the subsequent results, were flawed. They felt that any Korean male might react in the same sad way if not allowed his room salon visit after drinking heavily. |
That's hilarious!! Thanks for the laugh. The sad thing is that your 'research' is about as valid as most of the crap that the journals publish. It's all the same, researcher comes up with a 'theory' and then gathers data by testing it in his/her class. The end result always sounds impressive but has no practical application to the real teaching that the rest of us do.
Sadebugo
Djibouti, Horn of Africa
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/ |
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MA_TESOL

Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I should have known better than to ask this question on here-- |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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MA - I was trying to help you and so was Kimchi_pizza. You can't ask such a general question and expect a specific answer. You need to provide us with what exactly you want to get published. I guess you really don't know, but, there are thousands of journals out there, each specializing in something in particular. Therefore, you wouldn't want to send an article on syntax to "essential teacher". You would send it to the Journal of Applied Linguistics. That is my point.
Kimchi_pizza recommended TESOL Quarterly, however I would disagree. You probably (as most of us are) are not at the level that those published in TESOL Quarterly are. That journal is one of the most (if not the most) respected journal in our field. You really need to have something substantial if you want to publish in that journal.
You really shouldn't come on here asking for help then criticizing those that are offering help. If you comment was aimed at Bass, then say so. Don't come on here saying "I should have known better than to ask for help on here". The two of us were trying to help, yet you feel as though we weren't?
Give us specifics and we'll give you specific answers. Give us vague generalizations and that is what you will get. |
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Chicoloco

Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Location: In the ring.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hi MA TESOL,
This is a difficult question to answer as there are a lot of different factors one must consider before publishing. Is your work research based? Is it new to the field? Is it a practical article? What area of TESOL is it based on? There are a lot of questions you'll need to provide us if you want specific recommendations.
Me.
http://www.ralphsesljunction.com/publications.html if you are interested. This may give you an idea as to what you can submit for someone new to publishing. |
Dude, I don't think The Korea Herald, The Korea Times and The Seoul Times count as TESOL journals. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hi MA TESOL,
This is a difficult question to answer as there are a lot of different factors one must consider before publishing. Is your work research based? Is it new to the field? Is it a practical article? What area of TESOL is it based on? There are a lot of questions you'll need to provide us if you want specific recommendations.
Me.
http://www.ralphsesljunction.com/publications.html if you are interested. This may give you an idea as to what you can submit for someone new to publishing. |
Dude, I don't think The Korea Herald, The Korea Times and The Seoul Times count as TESOL journals. |
"Dude",
I don't think you understood the point nor do I think you have looked at everything else on there . The point was that if someone isn't an experienced publisher (like myself), then there are only a few mediums through which one can publish. People have to start somewhere. Seriously, if you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say it "chico". |
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Chicoloco

Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Location: In the ring.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Seriously, if you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say it "chico". |
I did say something constructive; I pointed out that none of the papers listed are TESOL Journals and that is what the OP asked about.
If you don't have anything constructive to say rather than trying to blow your own (rather small) trumpet, don't say it "lord", |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Seriously, if you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say it "chico". |
I did say something constructive; I pointed out that none of the papers listed are TESOL Journals and that is what the OP asked about.
If you don't have anything constructive to say rather than trying to blow your own (rather small) trumpet, don't say it "lord", |
If none of them are "TESOL" journals, then you obviously don't know much about TESOL now do you "Dude" I know its a small trumpet; did I ever say otherwise? |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Look, the Korean papers will publish just about anything you send in. I should know, they print my stuff. My mom likes it that I'm in the paper, but I don't really consider that being published.
Anyway, to the OP, maybe have a look at the Asian EFL Journal. They have guidelines for submissions on their site, and they are a much lower-tier publication than TESOL Quarterly (third-rate, but they still draw some decent academics and professionals, and would still count as published). I'd recommend skimming through a couple of their entries to get a feel of what they're looking for. But it's definitely doable for somebody with some teaching experience and a grasp of the relevant literature. When Iw as last interested in writing on the topic, the most time-consuming part was just figuring out APA formatting.
edit: and to address your questions, no, I never submitted anything. I did research papers on TEFL in Korea in my final year of college, and thought about using them as a basis for submission to the Asian EFL Journal, but I never got around to it. The biggest thing, in my experience writing tons and tons of thsoe term papers, was grounding it in a solid review of the literature. As there's not much quality stuff on Korean TEFL----KOTESOL doesn't come close to counting----that took some time. Also, I found, and find, that most of the stuff on Asian EFL is pretty apologetic, constructs English as purely an imperialist tool, and doesn't account for the realities we as teachers actually face in the classroom. The gap between reviewing the literature and summarizing the reality was too great, and I eventually decided it wasn't worth it to write about Korean EFL academically. (yet) |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Look, the Korean papers will publish just about anything you send in. I should know, they print my stuff. My mom likes it that I'm in the paper, but I don't really consider that being published. |
True, Korean newspapers do publish just about anything (as you said about your stuff, I do with mine ). Still. I wasn't referring to Korean newspapers as "quality publishing" material. For one to say that being published in a newspaper is "quality", well, that newspaper better be pretty damn good.
I was referring the OP to places where he can start, like TEC or other regionally specific quasi-journals. Hey, maybe even magazines such as ESL Mag. or others that focus on Teaching English. The fact is that the OP didn't give any background of what s/he wants to publish, hence my addressing him for specifics. There is no way a beginner, on their first attempt, can publish in top-tier journals such as TQ. That person would have to be pretty damn good to do so and I am yet to meet one. It isn't impossible, just highly unlikely.
Regarding the Asian-EFL journal...don't get me started on that topic. I had a several page debate about that journal with someone else. So, I'm not going to rehash what I said as someone can easily look it up and read about it.
Smee, we never had any questions about you; I guess you are trying to beat us to the punch?
Oh, and I agree. Writing about Korean EFL isn't all it is cracked up to be.
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Smee, we never had any questions about you; I guess you are trying to beat us to the punch? |
No, I meant the OP's questions about experiences with journals. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Smee, we never had any questions about you; I guess you are trying to beat us to the punch? |
No, I meant the OP's questions about experiences with journals. |
, don't I feel like a **donkey**. |
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