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$NZ about to go through the roof?
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julian_w



Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Location: Somewhere beyond Middle Peak Hotel, north of Middle Earth, and well away from the Middle of the Road

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: $NZ about to go through the roof? Reply with quote

The NZ dollar has been going up like it's stuck with gum to the floor of an escalator... but how long that escalator is: who knows?

What is known is that next month, New Zealand and China sign a free trade deal that has been in the works for years. It's the first free trade deal China's signing with a 'western' nation. (As a New Zealander, I'm not proud of it.)

What I don't know is what it's going to do to the NZ dollar. I presume the dollar has been going up partly because the economy there is still relatively good, while the rest of the world (ie. more directly influenced by the States' economy) goes into the post Bush-Cheney tail-spin. I suspect the other part of it is that investors are guessing the free trade thing will be good for NZ, and so are going to be investing more.

So, any predictions? Is the dollar going to go through the roof next month? One $NZ equals one $US? One hundred NZ cents equal to one thousand Korean won... and rising?
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Kim Jong Jordan



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping it drops like a mofo, I'm paying my tuition for teachers college in the next two months there.....
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dalpengi



Joined: 08 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NZ economy is not in a good state.

NZ has had decent growth rates in recent years but only compared to
our own historical data.

Slovenia's GDP per capita in 2007 has matched ours. That's right - we have the GDP of East European country. Hungary and Czech Rep will overtake us within 3 to 5 years.

When you compare our growth rates to other major English speaking countries... well, don't.

And now this:


Omens of recession seen in economy
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dalpengi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw, NZ dollars strength is linked to our incredibly high interest rates, not our economy (though a strong economy usually leads to high I.R.).
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty damn frustrating.



Has the continuing rise of the kiwi dollar had an influence on how long kiwi teachers might consider staying here in the future?

I'm trying to keep in mind that if I get a better contract after summer the increased pay rates should help me maintain my savings goals.
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nzfooty



Joined: 28 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the word on the street is that the Reserve Bank will cut interest rates which will see the dollar drop in value.
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nzfooty wrote:
Well, the word on the street is that the Reserve Bank will cut interest rates which will see the dollar drop in value.


Yup... I reckon she's in for a fall sometime soon... It's getting close to a high.

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OneWayTraffic



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nzfooty wrote:
Well, the word on the street is that the Reserve Bank will cut interest rates which will see the dollar drop in value.


I certainly hope so, but I understand the RBNZ is offically signalling that it plans to hold steady through 2009. Even a small drop though, if it eventuates, could seriously effect the dollar, as it's seen as a volatile currency. If the perception of risk increases then we might see a whole lot of carrytrades leave the country and fast.

Personally I think that though the interest rates are supposed to kill inflation, having all this foreign money in our dollar, pushing it up is pretty damn inflationary. Too many dollars chasing a fixed amount of real assets.
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afsjesse



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Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the USD is in worse shape. We're talking 1000 to 1 in the matter of a week probably. How bad is it going to get?????? I need a strong won! Not going to happen though. I'd like less then 1000 though... is this possible in the near future?
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think of people buying into the NZD now are suckers. They think, "Yippee we are earning 10% on our 200k locked in for one year." I suspect they don't really figure in that when the recession hits, likely within the year, they'll be losing 20% right off from the currency value + transaction fees of + 2%.
The NZ government has lost profit by investing heavily of our superannuation funds by putting them into USD's and bringing it out again at a loss. God knows why they did it but they've lost the safe surplus and put the accounts into deficit.
As someone said, NZ GDP is not good. Manufacturing is low. Exports are suffering heaps. I'm not buying NZ made right now. Who else isn't?Immigration is way down. So are new entrants into the property market. I have dropped 10% off market to try and sell my small house there and get my money out of NZ but I can't get a sniff of a buyer.
Strangely, through all of this employment is strong. Tourism is too. But with the strong NZ dollar I wonder how it can continue to turn. Where's the investment into infrastructure and manufacturing? Having your NZ earned money in an NZ bank is much safer than investing in property or shares. Having a job is more cost effective than investing in business. Renting is now far, far cheaper than buying.
I think we will see a recession there soon. It can't go on. Selling your USD's or Yen or KRW to buy NZ at such an historic premium seems insane.
Will I be eating my hat? We'll see ...
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Re: $NZ about to go through the roof? Reply with quote

julian_w wrote:

I presume the dollar has been going up partly because the economy there is still relatively good, while the rest of the world (ie. more directly influenced by the States' economy) goes into the post Bush-Cheney tail-spin.


The States is NZ's second biggest trading partner. Sorry, hobbits, our tentacles are wrapped around you too! Bwahaha!
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wormholes101



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the main reasons the NZ dollar is so strong at the moment is because investment managers are buying NZD on overnight rates because of the high interest rates. The moment interest rates get cut down, you'll see a lot of selling and it should drop a significant amount. That's my prediction anyhow Smile
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nzfooty



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
nzfooty wrote:
Well, the word on the street is that the Reserve Bank will cut interest rates which will see the dollar drop in value.


I certainly hope so, but I understand the RBNZ is offically signalling that it plans to hold steady through 2009.


Yes, they have said that but there is a real possibility they will cut this year.

From Bloomberg:
"Governor Alan Bollard left the benchmark rate on hold for his sixth straight review March 6, saying slowing economic growth will probably start to relieve pressure on inflation in 2009. Of 16 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, nine say the rate will stay unchanged for the rest of this year while seven are predicting a cut in 2008."
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Headline in today's NZ Herald: North Shore Hospital resembles refugee camp.
Things don't bode well for the country with the highest trading bank interest rates in the World.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NZ economy has a lot of things good about it.

Dairy is going like clappers at the moment. Fonterra is forecasting a record level of payout which will give the average farmer on average a second divison lotto payout.

There is oil production happening in Taranaki and exploration happening in the south and east in the next few years.

Which has seen our trade defict shrink.

Australia is also in a boom which impacts upon us.

However
A lot of people are up to their eyeballs in debt speculating on the property market. Fuelled by cheap money coming in from overseas, banks have been lending money to people borrowing against the rising value of their house.

The reserve bank has been trying to stop this by increasing interest rates which has attracted more oversseas money into new zealand via japanese housewife investors which is driving the dollar up and hurting exporters.

Thins could get ugly especially with the drought.
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