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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: China Outlaws Reincarnation Reply with quote

China Slaps Ban On Reincarnation
Tibetan monks must seek permission for rebirth

By Lester Haines
Wednesday 29th August 2007 14:04 GMT

China has rather brilliantly declared that, from next month, Tibetan Buddhist monks must have official permission to reincarnate, Newsweek reports.

The new legislation lays down strict guidelines for making a reappearance and is, according to a statement from the State Administration for Religious Affairs, "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation". The penalty for illicit reincarnation is not noted (100 consecutive life sentences without parole?), but there is method in the Chinese authorities' madness.

As Newsweek points out, the law will effectively prevent any Buddhist monk living outside Tibet* from seeking reincarnation. Accordingly, it also "effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama".

The exiled 72-year-old Dalai Lama is currently in India pondering his successor. Since he's refused to reincarnate in Tibet while it's under Chinese control, there is the provocative possibility of a Chinese-sponsored Dalai Lama going head-to-head with a new young chum for Richard Gere.

Paul Harrison, a Buddhism scholar at Stanford, explained: "It will be a very hot issue. The Dalai Lama has been the prime symbol of unity and national identity in Tibet, and so it's quite likely the battle for his incarnation will be a lot more important than the others."

Harison and other Buddhism scholars are agreed the next Dalai Lama's Dalai Lama will "will likely be from within the 130,000 Tibetan exiles spread throughout India, Europe and North America", while China is evidently preparing the ground for a Tibetan resident rival.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/29/reincarnation_ban/
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Komichi



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been saying for years, this is exactly what China needs to do.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny...and interesting.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's funny, because I believe the Dalai Lama's official position is that his reincarnation is conditional on the will of the Tibetan people. Amazing how China's toppling of the repressive Yellow-Hat Buddhist regime there has allowed Tibetan self-determination over the Dalai's reincarnation.

Remember, the Dalai Lama is only one of two influential positions in the Yellow Hat hierarchy. The current Panchen Lama is a Chinese puppet.

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Following the unexpected death of the 10th Panchen Lama in 1989, the search for his reincarnation quickly became mired in political controversy. Chadrel Rinpoche, the head of the search committee, was able to secretly communicate with the Dalai Lama. However, after the Dalai Lama announced Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as the new Panchen Lama, Chinese authorities arrested Chadrel Rinpoche, who was replaced with Sengchen Lobsang Gyaltsen. Sengchen had been a political opponent of the previous Panchen Lama. The new search committee decided to ignore the Dalai Lama's announcement and choose the Panchen Lama from a list of finalists, which did not include Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, by drawing lots from the Golden Urn. Gyancain Norbu was announced as the search committee's choice on November 11, 1995.

The whereabouts of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima are unknown. The Government of Tibet in Exile claims that he and his family continue to be political prisoners, and has termed him the "youngest political prisoner in the world". The Chinese government claims that he is attending school and leading a normal life somewhere in China, and that his whereabouts are kept undisclosed to protect him.


But apparently this will be the last Panchen Lama, since reincarnation has been outlawed. I wonder if the current Panchen, puppet or genuine aspect, can outlast the CCP? I think it'll be a close race.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title is misleading. The Chinese haven't banned reincarnation; they've just said that
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Tibetan Buddhist monks must have official permission to reincarnate
I think that is a reasonable regulation. You can't have Tibetan Buddhist monks just reincarnating willy nilly all over the place. No self-respecting totalitarian regime could allow that. Uncontrolled reincarnation would be a disaster. If you let the Tibetan Buddhist monks reincarnate at will, sooner or later Mao himself would come sliding down the slippery slope and then where would the CCP be?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China, that poor, misunderstood cultural utopia...
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just want to go on record as opposed to any and all government regulation of reincarnation, and I don't care who knows it!
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Rockmonanoff



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All hail the Chinese, the world's soon-to-be richest country and true superpower.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
China, that poor, misunderstood cultural utopia...


Coming soon ... to a location near you Twisted Evil
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddhist Organizations Come Together
To Support The Karmapa's U.S. Visit




Dear Friends in the Dharma:

On behalf of His Holiness Karmapa's Office of Administration, U.S., we are delighted to share additional information about the confirmation of the visit of the Seventeenth Gyalwang Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje to the United States, May 15-June 2, 2008. His Holiness will be giving public talks in three cities: New York, NY; Boulder, CO; and Seattle, WA. Very soon, we will launch the official website, www.karmapavisit.org. This website will present official information and details about the tour as they become available.

In February 2007, His Holiness Karmapa appointed The Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche as the representative of his Office of Administration in the United States. The Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche has been given full responsibility to oversee and direct the visit of His Holiness to the United States. One of His Holiness' key instructions to Ponlop Rinpoche is to work together to plan and implement the tour with all the sanghas who have submitted invitations to His Holiness.

Therefore, beginning in March 2007, Ponlop Rinpoche invited representatives from various sanghas to join the National and Regional Coordinating Committees for the tour. He also invited representatives to serve on the Sangha Advisory Board in each of the three regions where His Holiness will be visiting. Over the past year of extensive planning, many sanghas have contributed time and energy to make this tour a reality, on the coordinating committees and advisory boards.

They include:

Karma Triyana Dharmachakra and affiliates
Nalandabodhi
Shambhala International
Mangala Shri Bhuti

Centers affiliated with Venerable Kalu Rinpoche: Kagyu Droden Kunchab, Kagyu Changchub Chuling, Kagyu Dakshang Chuling,
and Sukhasiddhi Foundation


Satdharma
Naropa University
Centers affiliated with Venerable Thrangu Rinpoche: Vajravidya and Karma Mahasiddha Ling
Rigpa USA
Evam Buddhist Institute
Yongey Buddhist Center

May our energies gather together in a harmonious way, as one sangha family, to welcome the Seventeenth Gyalwang Karmapa
to the United States and support His Holiness' work to benefit countless sentient beings.


Yours in the Dharma,
Diane Biray Gregorio and Mary Chung
Chiefs of Staff for the Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche
H.H. Karmapa's Office of Administration, U.S.
If you have questions, please send an email to the planning committee in the city nearest you.

New York, NY: [email protected]
Boulder, CO: [email protected]
Seattle, WA: [email protected]
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mistermasan



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please, china, please make transubstantiation illegal. and "original sin". please, oh, please. and the rapture. while you are at it outlaw aging and death.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a billion Chinese that are going to have to look for a new country to reincarnate into!
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agentX



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This makes abundant sense.

After all, China shouldn't have to execute the same monks over and over again. If reincarnation is banned, at the very least they'll only have to deal with new monks.

While they're on this banning streak, we in the US would like China to ban sloppy manufacturing practices, labor abuse, and X-tasy in toys. That would go a long way towards improving foreign relations.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese Government is one of the most offending governments in the planet when it comes to human rights, pollution, and the supporting of dictatorships. Their suppression of Tibetan culture and religion is horrible and also their suffocation of the Catholic church is also intolerable. I am not sure what can be done for Tibet, but I personally think Tibet's culture is something to be preseved, protected, not destroyed.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
I would not buy a ticket to watch the Olympics in Beijing.

Good for you Adventurer ...

If you feel that strongly about the regime's legacy of brutality ( as of course do i ), you might wanna consider keeping your TV
"turned off" during the Olympics as well Idea

TELEVALIUM.

The CIA in TIBET 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY
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