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On the other hand
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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: William F. Buckley is dead |
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It's from MSNBC. No story, just headline.
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| BREAKING NEWS: Columnist and editor William F. Buckley has died at age 82, an assistant says |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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It's official...
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NEW YORK - Author and conservative commentator William F. Buckley Jr. has died at age 82.
His assistant Linda Bridges says Buckley died Wednesday morning at his home in Stamford, Conn. She says he had been ill with emphysema and was found dead by his cook.
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idonojacs
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| One of the most pompous hypocritical schmucks of the 20th Century. |
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stillnotking
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Buckley bears more responsibility than any other single person for the creation of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against. He single-handedly began the strain of modern conservatism that reached its apotheosis in George W. Bush. In his later years he grew to distrust and dislike his creation, but by then it was too late and his disciples were no longer listening to him.
He successfully challenged the dominant liberal orthodoxy of his day, only to find that what replaced it was infinitely worse. |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Buckley bears key responsibilty for the creation of the "military-industrial complex"(a nebulous entity if there ever was one)?! Bet that's news to William F.
When I was a young 'un there was a televised Oxford Union debate between Buckley & Betty Friedan. He kicked her ass but the students voted for her as the "winner" of the debate, natch. He just laughed.
" I'd rather be governed by the first 200 names in the Boston phone book than the faculty of Harvard"-W. F. Buckley
RIP, Bill |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| Buckley bears more responsibility than any other single person for the creation of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against. He single-handedly began the strain of modern conservatism that reached its apotheosis in George W. Bush. |
Righ, so Buckley bears more responsibility than any other single person for the creation of the military-industrial complex than George W. Bush.
It's amazing how with the second sentence you undermined the first.
RIP, Bill.
I didn't always agree with him, but I think he was a good man. |
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Tjames426
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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One of the Greatest American Intellectual Giants passes...
so sad. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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William Buckley did he best to purge the lunatic-fringe fanatics from the conseravitve movment.
It is why the Klan and the John Birch Society hate him. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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stillnotking dropped more poop as he sprinted away:
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Buckley bears more responsibility than any other single person for the creation of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against. He single-handedly began the strain of modern conservatism that reached its apotheosis in George W. Bush. In his later years he grew to distrust and dislike his creation, but by then it was too late and his disciples were no longer listening to him.
He successfully challenged the dominant liberal orthodoxy of his day, only to find that what replaced it was infinitely worse. |
You sound suspiciously like EFL Trainer aka BLT aka keane. Come clean, Nowhere Man. We promise not to snicker--much.
A little bit of chronology for you: Eisenhower's admonition predates Buckley's rise to public influence. You should be a staffer for the Regicide Center on Government Conspiracies. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Buckley on the white Southerner's social superiority (1957)
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The central question that emerges...is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes�the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race�
National Review believes that the South's premises are correct. If the majority wills what is socially atavistic, then to thwart the majority may be, though undemocratic, enlightened. It is more important for any community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority. Sometimes it becomes impossible to assert the will of a minority, in which case it must give way; and the society will regress; sometimes the numerical minority cannot prevail except by violence: then it must determine whether the prevalence of its will is worth the terrible price of violence.
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If those aren't the words of a bigot, they're the words of a man quite tolerant of one. From Slate |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I think what Buckley said in that piece can be taken out of context in an attempt to discredit him. That might be Noah's intent. Besides, some of Noah's other points are highly disputable. Was communism on its death bed when Reagan was elected? Didn't seem so to most. And claiming Franco as a fascist is very inaccurate according to many scholars of fascism (e.g. Roger Eatwell in FASCISM: A HISTORY). |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
stillnotking dropped more poop as he sprinted away:
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Buckley bears more responsibility than any other single person for the creation of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against. He single-handedly began the strain of modern conservatism that reached its apotheosis in George W. Bush. In his later years he grew to distrust and dislike his creation, but by then it was too late and his disciples were no longer listening to him.
He successfully challenged the dominant liberal orthodoxy of his day, only to find that what replaced it was infinitely worse. |
You sound suspiciously like EFL Trainer aka BLT aka keane. Come clean, Nowhere Man. We promise not to snicker--much.
A little bit of chronology for you: Eisenhower's admonition predates Buckley's rise to public influence. You should be a staffer for the Regicide Center on Government Conspiracies. |
naw, stillnotking is generally more coherent and articulate than this post illustrates. He's definitely not any of those people you mention. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: |
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jkelly80:
Buckley was like most educated Whites in the North at that time: he had no sense of urgency regarding civil rights, an attitude which prompted King to write "Why We Can't Wait." Despite Schlesinger's sanitation job on JFK, the latter wasn't overly eager to stir the Southern pot, either. Even some Blacks who voted Republican were opposed to any action that would rock the proverbial boat.
It was one of the few issues on which Buckley did not really think for himself. And let's not forget he was still quite young and immature in his view of the world, with the brashness of inherited wealth to boot.
Still, there was much to admire in this man, who had a great wit about him, who never took himself deadly seriously, who could laugh more than most of the idealogues on the Right who worshipped him and those on the Left who loathed him.
He prided himself on a huge working vocabulary and a healthy respect for formal English, which is so wanting today. He was a terrific tactician of argumentation and quite prosaic. Moreover, he was an adventurous soul who wasn't content to wallow in his wealth.
He loved his country deeply and influenced Ronald Reagan more than any other single journalist. He wasn't always right, to be sure, and he could be pompous at times as any blue-blood, though rarely for long or with malcontent.
Above all, he was an original, an individual of the first order, and a great mind who wasn't content with pap from any quarter. He influenced three generations of conservatives but had more than a few admirers among the liberals he so gleefully poked fun at. |
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gypsyfish
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| His Blackie Oakes spy novels were good, though I understand that the last one had a lot of flaws. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| I think what Buckley said in that piece can be taken out of context in an attempt to discredit him. That might be Noah's intent. Besides, some of Noah's other points are highly disputable. Was communism on its death bed when Reagan was elected? Didn't seem so to most. And claiming Franco as a fascist is very inaccurate according to many scholars of fascism (e.g. Roger Eatwell in FASCISM: A HISTORY). |
I'm not sure that Noah is really trying to be impartial, and the claims that he makes must be taken with a grain of salt. But that's about two paragraphs worth of thought right there. How much more context is needed? |
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