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kentucker4

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: martial arts in South Korea |
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Which one do you guys think is the most valuble from a self defense persective? I have always wanted to learn boxing...how big is it here? But I understand from the movies, as corny as it sounds, that Million Dollar Baby movie that it takes two years to really learn boxing. Anyone have any input on this and how all of the martial arts over there compare? |
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normalcyispasse

Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Any mixed martial art (that is, one that incorporates grappling as well as striking) will probably be your best bet from a defense standpoint.
That said, I have a hard time doing any martial arts here. I've been told that I'm not welcome in a couple schools simply because I'm too big. |
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HapKi

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Which one do you guys think is the most valuble from a self defense persective? |
If by self defense you mean blocking and stopping an attack (followed by immobilizing, or getting the hell out of there),
I would say Hapkido is your best choice here.
Personally, I think that if you've taken the fight to the floor, and started grappling around,
it's stopped being self-defense and entered "bring it on" mode.
Boxing is a good addition to anyone's training. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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normalcyispasse wrote: |
I've been told that I'm not welcome in a couple schools simply because I'm too big. |
Awww, are they afraid of the big scary waegook? |
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Rutherford
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thought I'd just throw a quick promo in if anyone is looking for a good martial art. I started training Brazilian jiujitsu with some guys in Busan. The main school is in Daeyeon, but they have satelite locations in some other cities. Really hardcore about training, but also very friendly and open to foreigners. They also train some MMA. The school's called Dong Chan Baek San. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Boxing is a good start, but as you would be aware, it is more limited. Hapkido looks to be the best Korean martial art. There are plenty of other styles as well. It depends on your physical attributes. Some things suit different people. If you want the best, some say it is brazilian jiu jitsu, some say muay thai is. Personally, I like kyokushin karate. A mixed martial art would be a good start. They will teach you a bit about each area of fighting. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
normalcyispasse wrote: |
I've been told that I'm not welcome in a couple schools simply because I'm too big. |
Awww, are they afraid of the big scary waegook? |
If you take Hapkido, the first thing you'll probably notice is that the class is full of kids under the age of 15. Some of which are very small. You get paired up with pretty much everyone at some point.
I'm a small-ish guy, so it hasn't been a problem, plus my school has quite a few foreigners/older Koreans in it to be paired up with if I was seen as too big to fight someone.
However, some schools might only have younger Koreans, and its understandable that they didn't let you in because there might be no one in your weight / size category to fight. |
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kentucker4

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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HapKi wrote: |
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Which one do you guys think is the most valuble from a self defense persective? |
If by self defense you mean blocking and stopping an attack (followed by immobilizing, or getting the hell out of there),
I would say Hapkido is your best choice here.
Personally, I think that if you've taken the fight to the floor, and started grappling around,
it's stopped being self-defense and entered "bring it on" mode.
Boxing is a good addition to anyone's training. |
Well, I used to wrestle in high school, so I have decent grappling abillity...whe n I say decent, I mean basic as I could outwrestle anyone my size or probaly bigger who has never grappled before but I was never GREAT at it it, just pretty good. I would be interested in boxing, but doesn't it take a lot longer than a year to even be half way effecient at it? |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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A related note. Someone on these boards said that their school was doing something special to get them to black belt in a year. (I think it was the idea that they were not being "fluffy".) Be aware that black belting in taekwondo in one year is STANDARD in South Korea. I have heard this is the case in a few other martial arts, too. If a school is trying to charge you more for their special program, or trying to sell you on it, they're treating you like they think you're an idiot.
If you come in with experience in an art, you'll often black belt even faster. The Kukkiwon, however, has a six month residency requirement before you can test for black in Korea. |
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kentucker4

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
A related note. Someone on these boards said that their school was doing something special to get them to black belt in a year. (I think it was the idea that they were not being "fluffy".) Be aware that black belting in taekwondo in one year is STANDARD in South Korea. I have heard this is the case in a few other martial arts, too. If a school is trying to charge you more for their special program, or trying to sell you on it, they're treating you like they think you're an idiot.
If you come in with experience in an art, you'll often black belt even faster. The Kukkiwon, however, has a six month residency requirement before you can test for black in Korea. |
Is Taekwondo worth learning? A blackbelt in a year sounds enticing. But I never see any Taekwondo masters in the UFC or anything. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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kentucker4 wrote: |
Is Taekwondo worth learning? A blackbelt in a year sounds enticing. But I never see any Taekwondo masters in the UFC or anything. |
If you're obsessed with the UFC and think it's the height of martial arts, then no.
Not everyone studies martial arts with the goal of maiming someone. Some of us actually study an art for the "art" part. I know--gasp--what an idea!
Having said that, most people into MMA, UFC, etc can't see the benefit of the art part. People who have studied martial arts, truly, can see the pros and cons of the arts they've studied. Every MMA person I've met seems to think his system is the absolute best, no cons.
ALL martial artists I know agree the best thing for pure self defense (your original question) is a gun.
I personally don't consider them well-developed martial artists. To me the sign of developement is not how many people you can beat up, but how you live your life. The true Masters I know would do anything to NOT get in a fight. And this doesn't just go for taekwondoists. I consider MMAs big, overgrown bullies with little sense of self-worth and overgrown egos. |
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ublove

Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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For self-defence, I would recommend hapkido over taekwondo. Hapkido's bread and butter is stand-up grappling; wrist/joint locks, pressure points, and throws. At my old dojang, my instructor incorporated some submission grappling as well. This is on top of striking/kicking. It's a well-rounded martial art. If attaining a black belt in one year is important to you, you can accomplish this with hapkido.
For pure street effectiveness, I would go with Brazilian jiu-jitsu. These days if someone were to attack me, I would take the fight to ground, gain a dominant position, and choke him unconscious. It's the easiest, most humane way to end a fight. |
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englishiscrazy
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: if you're going to learn any sport in korea it should be... |
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been learning taekwondo for a couple months
basically getting a new belt every month, as long as you go 5 days a week for an hour.
better doing the late night classes cause that's when the older kids and adults train.
only downside, is everything is in korean -so always one step behind
but i take that as part of the experience -learning the korean way
also there is a lot of korean male culture in taekwondo -good to know
if you're going to learn any sport in korea it should be taekwondo |
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HapKi

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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been learning taekwondo for a couple months
basically getting a new belt every month, as long as you go 5 days a week for an hour.
better doing the late night classes cause that's when the older kids and adults train.
only downside, is everything is in korean -so always one step behind
but i take that as part of the experience -learning the korean way
also there is a lot of korean male culture in taekwondo -good to know
if you're going to learn any sport in korea it should be taekwondo |
Other than getting a new belt every month, and your "couple months" training,
what else makes you think taekwondo is THE martial art to learn in Korea? |
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kentucker4

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
kentucker4 wrote: |
Is Taekwondo worth learning? A blackbelt in a year sounds enticing. But I never see any Taekwondo masters in the UFC or anything. |
If you're obsessed with the UFC and think it's the height of martial arts, then no.
Not everyone studies martial arts with the goal of maiming someone. Some of us actually study an art for the "art" part. I know--gasp--what an idea!
Having said that, most people into MMA, UFC, etc can't see the benefit of the art part. People who have studied martial arts, truly, can see the pros and cons of the arts they've studied. Every MMA person I've met seems to think his system is the absolute best, no cons.
ALL martial artists I know agree the best thing for pure self defense (your original question) is a gun.
I personally don't consider them well-developed martial artists. To me the sign of developement is not how many people you can beat up, but how you live your life. The true Masters I know would do anything to NOT get in a fight. And this doesn't just go for taekwondoists. I consider MMAs big, overgrown bullies with little sense of self-worth and overgrown egos. |
I used to meditate a lot and try to quiete my mind. I understand that one of the main goals of martial arts is to quiet the mind and gain silent knoledge...maybe I am wrong.
That definitely appeals to me, but anothe rpart of me wants to take something for the sport of it as well.
Say what you want about the UFC, but those guys are the best fighters, and if you say otherwise, you are kidding yourself. Royce Gracie, a barzillian jujitsu master got his ass handed to him last time he competed. The sport has just really evolved.
My goal is not to beat someone up, but if I get into an argument with a guy who is acting very threatening and there is no alternative but to fight, i'd like to feel more comfortable with being able to just shut him up on the spot and I don;t believe in guns. A lot of trouble tends to follow me, and I am tired of acting 'big' about these type of situations. I want to feel confident when some large guy is in my face taunting me next time.
So, I am interested in brazillian jujitsu, but is it competitive? Like will I get to spar and fight with people for sport? Also, is there ANY striking involved with BJJ? I want something that will really push me. |
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