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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Vista 64 -- My verdict. |
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Well, I took Vista x64 for a run for a couple of weeks. I also upgraded to SP1.
It was pretty. The fonts were smooth and the menus and aero display graphics were stunning. I liked how the directories in windows explorer would auto-refresh.
I'm running an easily Vista capable machine. Core2Duo 3.0GHz, 2GB PC-6400 RAM, Gigabyte P965 board, and XFX 8600GT graphics. So the pretty stuff ran well.
However, I was less than impressed by the important things. This seems a really clumsy OS to me. It seems to fight you at every turn; almost like it wants to make life difficult. I was starting to take it personally.
Here's a list of some of the problems I've encountered:
1. I can't output spdif and speakers at the same time. wtf?
2. Can't modify any system files. I tried and crashed the computer and needed to repair disk it!
3. Torrent download speed miniscule (down 256KB)compared to XP (1-6MB/s) --> why? can't adjust the tcpip file (see #2 above)
4. UAP really, really, really eats at you after awhile!
5. Admin priveleges are really a pain in the ass to set up.
6. Slower directory accessing and less responsive
7. Gears of War takes roughly 3x as long to load. Play well, though. Same as XP.
8. Java programs (i.e. jdiskreport) don't work properly; and if it can, it's a real pain.
9. Lots of BSODs. When I end games, at startup sometimes, even crashed on Firefox...maybe I'm special 8(
10. HDD CONSTANTLY running on and on and on...and it doesn't seem to speed up windows explorer.
11. Incompatible with many x86 programs...unsigned driver issues. Not sure what that means but it nonetheless bites.
12. Most of the nice features like indexing and sidebar can be easily addressed by free XP addons that work much better than the native Vista stuff.
13. You gotta go hunting around the web to special sites to find compatible software. Come on!
Sorry guys. I really tried to like it, but it just feels entirely unfinished. Seems to me like they sacrificed way too much functionality for the sake of security. I'll be knocking it off my partition today. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Vista 64 -- My verdict. |
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| hanguker wrote: |
Well, I took Vista x64 for a run for a couple of weeks. I also upgraded to SP1.
It was pretty. The fonts were smooth and the menus and aero display graphics were stunning. I liked how the directories in windows explorer would auto-refresh.
I'm running an easily Vista capable machine. Core2Duo 3.0GHz, 2GB PC-6400 RAM, Gigabyte P965 board, and XFX 8600GT graphics. So the pretty stuff ran well.
However, I was less than impressed by the important things. This seems a really clumsy OS to me. It seems to fight you at every turn; almost like it wants to make life difficult. I was starting to take it personally.
Here's a list of some of the problems I've encountered:
1. I can't output spdif and speakers at the same time. wtf?
2. Can't modify any system files. I tried and crashed the computer and needed to repair disk it!
3. Torrent download speed miniscule (down 256KB)compared to XP (1-6MB/s) --> why? can't adjust the tcpip file (see #2 above)
4. UAP really, really, really eats at you after awhile!
5. Admin priveleges are really a pain in the ass to set up.
6. Slower directory accessing and less responsive
7. Gears of War takes roughly 3x as long to load. Play well, though. Same as XP.
8. Java programs (i.e. jdiskreport) don't work properly; and if it can, it's a real pain.
9. Lots of BSODs. When I end games, at startup sometimes, even crashed on Firefox...maybe I'm special 8(
10. HDD CONSTANTLY running on and on and on...and it doesn't seem to speed up windows explorer.
11. Incompatible with many x86 programs...unsigned driver issues. Not sure what that means but it nonetheless bites.
12. Most of the nice features like indexing and sidebar can be easily addressed by free XP addons that work much better than the native Vista stuff.
13. You gotta go hunting around the web to special sites to find compatible software. Come on!
Sorry guys. I really tried to like it, but it just feels entirely unfinished. Seems to me like they sacrificed way too much functionality for the sake of security. I'll be knocking it off my partition today. |
n00b.
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Vista 64 -- My verdict. |
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| hanguker wrote: |
| 2. Can't modify any system files. I tried and crashed the computer and needed to repair disk it! |
You need to give yourself admin priveledges (even if you are running as an admin) - go to mydigitallife.info and search there's a registry key that you can add that just makes it a right click away
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| 3. Torrent download speed miniscule (down 256KB)compared to XP (1-6MB/s) --> why? can't adjust the tcpip file (see #2 above) |
I've been getting 4-8mb/s since running vista in mid december and I didn't tweak anything
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| 4. UAP really, really, really eats at you after awhile! |
turn it off
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| 5. Admin priveleges are really a pain in the ass to set up. |
see answer to #3
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| 9. Lots of BSODs. When I end games, at startup sometimes, even crashed on Firefox...maybe I'm special 8( |
not one
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| 10. HDD CONSTANTLY running on and on and on...and it doesn't seem to speed up windows explorer. |
only when running torrents
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| 11. Incompatible with many x86 programs...unsigned driver issues. Not sure what that means but it nonetheless bites. |
only had a problem with one program (the font thing)
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| 13. You gotta go hunting around the web to special sites to find compatible software. Come on! |
all of my software works except the one mentioned above |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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I haven't had any of the problems described by the OP in a year of using Vista. The last two months with Vista x64.
My Vista seems to run just as solidly as XP ever did.
...............cue a multitude of probs for me!!!  |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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I have xp dual-booted. I tested the torrent on both within minutes of each other. Vista = 265kB/s, XP = 2.5MB/s. I guess I just had bad luck with it.
+ any OS that you have to hack to make work properly is no good in my books. That's what really turned me off. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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I have xp dual-booted. I tested the torrent on both within minutes of each other. Vista = 265kB/s, XP = 2.5MB/s. I guess I just had bad luck with it.
+ any OS that you have to hack to make work properly is no good in my books. That's what really turned me off. |
I think they are just trying to idiot proof it like a mac (but I guess I can't say anything still running XP) |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyone has their own choice on the OS.. I had shit luck with vista.. So I went back to xp64. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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+ any OS that you have to hack to make work properly is no good in my books. That's what really turned me off. |
I suppose that will overlook the fact that your copy of XP is probably hacked in some way.
There is no OS that works the way any given individual will want it to right out of the box. It sounds to me like you aren't ready for an OS like Vista x64. It sure isn't for the masses and that's why there is 32 bit. Everything you outlined as a 'problem' is well documented in other threads here (and elsewhere) and other items on your list are things that are best described as being naive.
XP never worked for me right out of the box; I dreaded re-installs as it would take me 5 hours to make it behave the way I liked. I researched Vista x64 for days before my install and there were absolutely no surprises. Quite the contrary, in fact: common grievances didn't rear their heads at all.
Windows isn't a simple program (by nature it cannot be) and for those who have strong preferences, it needs some tweaking. As blackjack inferred, the idiot version is indeed out there, but it isn't x64.
This thread is quite representative of the problems that MS were facing as Longhorn became increasingly dumbed-down; people aren't ready for true security on their PCs; it imbues too much responsibility on them and, to put a finer point on it, they are far too ignorant and unwilling to learn. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| hanguker wrote: |
I have xp dual-booted. I tested the torrent on both within minutes of each other. Vista = 265kB/s, XP = 2.5MB/s. I guess I just had bad luck with it.
+ any OS that you have to hack to make work properly is no good in my books. That's what really turned me off. |
I think they are just trying to idiot proof it like a mac (but I guess I can't say anything still running XP) |
Mac is FAR superior to any MS OS. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| blackjack wrote: |
| hanguker wrote: |
I have xp dual-booted. I tested the torrent on both within minutes of each other. Vista = 265kB/s, XP = 2.5MB/s. I guess I just had bad luck with it.
+ any OS that you have to hack to make work properly is no good in my books. That's what really turned me off. |
I think they are just trying to idiot proof it like a mac (but I guess I can't say anything still running XP) |
Mac is FAR superior to any MS OS. |
Here we go.
What a crap post. |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Everything you outlined as a 'problem' is well documented in other threads here (and elsewhere) and other items on your list are things that are best described as being naive. |
I see you are as condescending as ever Demo.
I would not consider myself a naive user (I've been using PCs/Windows since the XT era); nor am I going to spend hours trying in a pissing match with you. I'm simply saying that Vista was an unsatisfactory experience for me for the listed reasons. I had done my research, and yes, there were 'hacks' for most of the problems I listed. My point was and is that it's a real pain in the rear to get things working on the Vista 64 OS, with little improvement over XP (except for security).
As a fairly experienced user, I would think that you more than anyone would consider a tweakable system to be advantageous. You can't even touch the system files in Vista or it shuts you down. If you have a 'hack' for that in SP1 please tell. Try changing the half-open connections in the tcpip.sys file...see what happens.
But I think you're too busy trying to show off be of any real help to anyone. |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'm more of a hardware guy, but...
MS products aren't all that bad. Certainly not as bad as some people portray them. I've used MS-Dos, Win 95, 98, ME, 2K, XP Pro (32 & 64), Vista Home Premium (32), Vista Ultimate (64). Now I'm running Vista Home Premium (64) and OS X on my notebook.
I liked XP (both versions) because I could tweak it until it bled. Win 2K was very stable and had a professional "no nonsense" feel on it. Vista is pretty to look at... even though I turned off all the eye-candy... but it limits my tweaking compulsion to the bare minimum. (I'm such a nerd, I know.)
OS X is not God sent. It is pretty good and simple to use, but doesn't let me tweak that many things. For sure, I can change the outlook and other minor things, but the geek in me would like to go deeper in there. Anyway, Mac OS is good for people who don't want to get their hands dirty.
IMO there should be a notice up there on top of this forum:
Leave your ego outside when entering the geek forum. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| hanguker wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| Everything you outlined as a 'problem' is well documented in other threads here (and elsewhere) and other items on your list are things that are best described as being naive. |
I see you are as condescending as ever Demo.
I would not consider myself a naive user (I've been using PCs/Windows since the XT era); nor am I going to spend hours trying in a pissing match with you. I'm simply saying that Vista was an unsatisfactory experience for me for the listed reasons. I had done my research, and yes, there were 'hacks' for most of the problems I listed. My point was and is that it's a real pain in the rear to get things working on the Vista 64 OS, with little improvement over XP (except for security).
As a fairly experienced user, I would think that you more than anyone would consider a tweakable system to be advantageous. You can't even touch the system files in Vista or it shuts you down. If you have a 'hack' for that in SP1 please tell. Try changing the half-open connections in the tcpip.sys file...see what happens.
But I think you're too busy trying to show off be of any real help to anyone. |
What's to help? You had already made up your mind based on what I believe to be unsound reasons. I'm not showing off, just saying what I think and if that is so terribly offensive, then I apologize.
Vilified by one post. Welcome to Dave's.
Just for the record, everything your complained about is easily remedied, and no, it doesn't take a whiz to do it. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| blackjack wrote: |
| hanguker wrote: |
I have xp dual-booted. I tested the torrent on both within minutes of each other. Vista = 265kB/s, XP = 2.5MB/s. I guess I just had bad luck with it.
+ any OS that you have to hack to make work properly is no good in my books. That's what really turned me off. |
I think they are just trying to idiot proof it like a mac (but I guess I can't say anything still running XP) |
Mac is FAR superior to any MS OS. |
Here we go.
What a crap post. |
I don't know you, but I'd say posting without any type of argument against my statement makes your reply pretty "crappy" in of itself.
Here is why I argue OS X >MS XP/VISTA/2000 etc. is in all my years with MS OSs I've encountered:
1) Crashes for no logical reason - so no stability
2) backdoors that could let fat albert in (in terms of security)
3) OSes that take way too much system resources for what the OS is actually doing. This is especially true of the RAM situation.
4) MS seems to copy what MAC is doing with every single one of their updates. I thought VISTA was cool for the widgets when I saw it...woops Mac did that first and MS just copied them...
5) MS doesn't seem to really innovate much from one release to the next. I make this argument based on the fact that XP seemed to be a 2000 OS in new clothes. Also that crap OS Windows ME which was quickly hidden away, and not supported when MS realized what a complete piece of crap it was...no innovation there.
NOW don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Mac's are god's gift from heaven...that is probably Linux. However, for a no-brainer type install OS like MS does, it is far superior to MS's stuff. I have been a windows user since 3.11 or whatever that version was after MS-DOS went the way of Mac with a GUI. I have to say, MS operating systems have given me more headaches than the little kids I used to teach.
So to conclude from my original post:
MAC OS > MS OS |
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