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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: It Pays To "Play Nice", Harvard Study Says |
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It Pays To "Play Nice", Harvard Study Says
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
Wed Mar 19, 2:03 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Screaming sports coaches and cutthroat tycoons have it wrong: Nice guys do finish first, a new study suggests.
The Harvard University study involved 100 Boston-area college students playing the same game over and over � a punishment-heavy version of the classic one-on-one brinksmanship game of prisoner's dilemma. The research appears in Thursday's edition of the journal Nature.
Common game theory has held that punishment makes two equals cooperate. But when people compete in repeated games, punishment fails to deliver, said study author Martin Nowak. He is director of the evolutionary dynamics lab at Harvard where the study was conducted.
"On the individual level, we find that those who use punishments are the losers," Nowak said his experiments found.
Those who escalate the conflict very often wound up doomed.
"It's a very positive message," said study co-author David Rand, a Harvard biology graduate student researcher. "In general, the thing that is most, sort of, rational and best for your own self-interest is to be nice."
The study looked at games between equals. Punishment does seem to have a place in games when one player is dominant and needs to enforce submission, Nowak said.
In Nowak's experiment, the students played more than 8,000 games of prisoner's dilemma, using dimes to reward and punish. The normal game of prisoner's dilemma gives two players two options: cooperate or defect. If both cooperate, each ends up winning a dime. If both defect, each gets nothing. If one cooperates and the other defects, the cooperative player loses 20 cents and the defector wins 30 cents.
Nowak then added a "costly punishment" component. A player could choose to punish someone who didn't cooperate. That penalized the non-cooperative person 40 cents, but the other player had to pay a dime to mete out the punishment.
When Nowak compared how much money people earned or lost in the long run, there was a noticeable correlation between punishment and overall money. The players who punished their opponents the least, or not at all, made the most money.
Those who punished the most made the least money.
When faced with a nasty opponent, turning the other cheek and continuing to cooperate � or at least not handing out punishment � paid off more in the long run, the study found.
The paper makes sense and is interesting in its look at repeated interaction, said University of Central Florida economics professor Elisabet Rutstrom, who works on game theory but was not part of the Harvard study.
Nowak said he next wants to study chief executives to see if the findings play out in the real world.
On the Net:
Nature: http://www.nature.com/nature
Play prisoner's dilemma (without Nowak's costly punishment) against a computer:
http://www.princeton.edu/mdaniels/PD/PD.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/ap_on_sc/nice_guys;_ylt=AlYx0n709eeZNqZHx9ZAdOMDW7oF |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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The recent results of a survey conducted be a group of researchers at Harvard University have clearly established that a person who chooses to not be an asshole will probably have a better life than a person who chooses to be an asshole. |
This is absolutely ground-breaking research!! Who woulda thunkit?!! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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This is old wisdom. Lincoln's attitude was that a lawyer's duty was to settle, not create litigation. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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clearly established that a person who chooses to not be an asshole will probably have a better life than a person who chooses to be an asshole. |
While this is good news, what worries me is that next month they are to announce that Hell is a real place. |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would be shocked to see this play out in the real world. Especially in a corporate setting. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Now boys ... play nice
Kuros wrote: |
This is old wisdom.
Lincoln's attitude was that a lawyer's duty was to settle, not create litigation. |
Yes, ancient wisdom indeed. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Czarjorge wrote: |
I would be shocked to see this play out in the real world. Especially in a corporate setting. |
Why?
I think when you're dealing across corporations, it holds true. The trouble is that it may not be relevant to getting ahead in a corporation. The person who works hard and demands the raise/promotion, asserting him/herself, will be the one to get it.
It could explain why so many aggressive people are in high positions of power. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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This dovetails nicely with the results of Dr. James Prescott's groundbreaking research "Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence" published in 1975 in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.
He looked at cultures around the world, and with 98% predictability he found that those cultures which punished infants or repressed early adolescent sexuality were more violent.
You can read the full study and more at www.violence.de.
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The results of these scientific studies do not support the many traditional religious and cultural values throughout the world, which deny the importance of "Mothering" and of youth affectional sexual relationships for peaceful and loving behaviors. |
So yes, it pays to be nice not only on the individual level, but on the societal level as well. |
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arjuna

Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Wilhelm Reich in Hell
by Robert Anton Wilson
http://www.rawilson.com/hell.shtml
Excerpt from Act I
(The scene: Wilhelm Reich is on trial in Hell. The trial looks in all respects like a 3-ring circus, complete with jugglers, acrobats, fire-eaters, etc. The prosecuting attorneys are the Marquis de Sade and Count von Sacher-Masoch, both of whom are dressed as clowns. The Ringmaster (Satan) presides as judge.
Early on in the trial, Dr. Reich introduced as evidence a Computer which continually monitors the growth of the worldwide nuclear weapons stockpile. The Computer emits an ear-splitting whistle every time there is an increment in firepower equivalent to the original Hiroshima bomb.....)
SADE: Why did you rebel against Freud?
REICH: (slowly) I rebelled against Freud because he was a coward.
The Computer whistles again.
SADE: A coward? The man who challenged all the taboos of his age?
REICH:He back-tracked, he evaded, he weaseled. He would not say flatly what his theories all implied.
The Computer whistles again.
SADE: (shouting over whistle) You mean he did not share your Utopian fantasies.
REICH:Look at the photos of him; look at that jaw.
The Computer whistles again.
REICH:Look at his expression, those clenched teeth. He was holding back -- and I tell you, all of you, that is why he got cancer of the jaw finally. He wouldn't speak what he knew. He held it in, behind those clenched teeth, until it killed him.
SADE: And what is the truth Freud dared not speak?
REICH:Everybody knows it by now. Look at the crime news on TV --
Computer whistles again.
REICH:or go into the emergency clinics and talk to the rape victims. Talk to the battered wives and the abused children. Our whole species is mad, emotionally plagued. We have been mad so long that every attempt to break out of the Trap just unleashes unconscious rage and increases the violence.
Computer whistles again.
REICH:We all know we're in the Trap, but nobody knows how to get out of it. We attack each other thinking that's the way out.
SADE: What? That is the truth Freud dared not speak? I thought he said all that in Civilization and its Discontents.
REICH:He would not say there was a way out of the Trap -- one way only --
SADE: Your way, of course.
REICH:The way I discovered, gradually, after many mistakes.
SADE: Which is?
REICH:Work on the breathing and the muscle tensions. And tell people frankly that there is no metaphysical Good and Evil in the human world any more than there is in the animal world or the chemical world or the physical world of gravity and mass.
SADE: Hedonistic materialism, in short. The permissive society.
REICH:Not permissiveness. Sanity. If a child is a nuisance, tell him so. Tell him his behavior is annoying. But never, never make a metaphysical moral issue out of it. Never, never say anything is sinful or wrong in a cosmic sense. Never pass on the lunacey, the Emotional Plague, that has come down to us from ages of superstition and barbarism.
SADE: A world without morals. Anarchy. That is what you mean?
REICH: It is not anarchy. It is what every person with an ounce of sanity knows. Nobody is to blame for anything. We are all in the mess together because our ancestors were mad and a mad society has passed on their repression from generation to generation.
SADE: And the things I did before I was brought here and cured? They were not Evil?
REICH: You enjoyed feeling Evil because it made you seem heroic. The humiliating truth, Marquis, is that you were merely ill.
SADE: And Hitler was merely ill?
REICH: That is the horror of the situation. We all know it by now, but we cannot remember. We repress it and go on blaming one another -- we forget what we know, because remembering it means remembering that we are robots, too -- that we have all been crippled in different ways by trying to live in the imaginary world of morals instead of the real world of nature.
SADE: So we just teach people how to breathe properly and relax their muscles and we will have Utopia?
REICH: No. I never said it was that easy. I said it was almost impossible, but we had to try, if there was to be any chance of survival at all. Removing the Emotional Plague is just like removing bubonic plague. It will take decades of work all over the world by thousands of specialists. But if we don't try --
Computer whistles again.
REICH: We must understand that every moral idea is strictly a hallucination. It creates guilt which creates muscular tension, which creates rage. That leads to further armoring, to hold the rage in. That leads to all the psychosomatic illnesses that orthodox medicine can't cure and to all the social pathologies around us. Rape. Child-beating. War.
Computer whistles again.
REICH: (excited, beginning to harangue) You compared me to Rousseau. Yes, in the Age of Reason, he had to recreate the myth of Eden again; he called it the Noble Savage. A hundred years later, Marx had to recreate it: he called it the primitive matriarchy, before private property. Eden is always recreated, because we know there is a natural grace and a natural way of life we have lost. We lost it through the invention of Good and Evil. As soon as we believed we were sinners, the Trap closed on us. We accepted the sin and punished ourselves. Or we projected the sin outward and punished scapegoats.
Computer whistles again.
REICH: (rage bursting through) Masochism or sadism -- those were the only choices once we believed in Good and Evil, once we believed in Sin. We are animals. We are no more guilty than a dog, a cat, a horse, a chipmunk. Everybody has known it since Darwin. But we are still in the Trap.
SADE: You really hate the Morality that caused you to kill your parents.
REICH: It is causing the whole human race to kill its children! We cannot see what we are doing. We have been robbed blind by our damned Morality.
SADE turns away sharply.
SADE: Your Almightiness, the prosecution rests. We believe it is obvious, out of his own mouth, that the defendant is a menace to civilization as we know it.
REICH: Wait! Do you know why that moment in nature is so precious, that moment of peace and oneness?
RINGMASTER: The defendant will not speak at this time.
REICH: It is a moment beyond Good and Evil!
RINGMASTER: You can argue that later. Fifteen minute recess. Then we will hear the case for the defense. (He rises)
The Computer whistles three times rapidly.
MASOCH: All rise!
Houselights up. As audience starts to leave, REICH begins addressing them.
REICH: Listen to me a moment! That moment of peace, that moment in Nature, beyond Good and Evil -- that is the essence of us. Our core. Our true selves. We normally never feel it because --
RINGMASTER: Clear the Court!
REICH: because our muscles hold it down. Our muscles are chronically tense, it is so chronic that we never notice it. We only notice the peace when on a rare moment the tension relaxes. What do you think the Drug Culture is all about? Relaxing the muscular armor, getting rid of that tension for a few hours, or a few moments.
ACROBATS go down into the audience and persuade people to leave. They are very polite, like well-trained policemen, and become very threatening (in a polite way) with those unwilling to leave while REICH is still talking.
REICH: We are diseased -- dis-eased. We have lost touch with natural feeling. When the Life Force tries to break through the muscular armor, it gets deflected, I say, and comes out dis-eased and violent. That's why all political revolutions fail. That's why there are no political solutions. That's why
RINGMASTER: Silence the defendant.
MASOCH and SADE "beat" REICH with bladders again and drag him offstage right.
REICH: (as he goes) You can't feel naturally. You can't see what you are doing, or what is being done around you. You are robots. Robots. All of you. All of you.
Curtain.
Wilhelm Reich:
http://www.wilhelmreichmuseum.org/biography.html
http://www.orgonelab.org/wrhistory.htm |
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