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[stevemcgarrett]

Fitna has released a video linked to the homepage of the nationalist party in The Netherlands.

It has been decried by all the usual suspects: the Green Party, the Socialist Party, the liberals, and so on in The Hague. Ironically, the video includes a segment in which imams condemn the very political beliefs these parties stand for. And, of course, they condemn all forms of Western humanism and secularism, wherever they perceive it to be a threat to Islam. Be prepared for some gruesome images, some verses from the Koran, and some startling statistics on the spread of Muslim immigration in Europe. And there are the many references to the Jews as subhuman.

Whether one approves of Geert's party line is immaterial; the video should stand (or fall) on its own merits. Some on this board (the usual apologists and deniers) will no doubt dismiss it as propaganda while the Far Left will laugh it off as so much hysteria. So be it.

But Islamofascism threatens democracy at its roots in Western Europe and it has infiltrated the continent and held it hostage to fear to the extent that freedom of speech itself is being silenced--but only for those who dare raise the alarms.

Check it out at:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

Ought to be required viewing for all Dutch civil servants, EU staff, and college students taking courses on contemporary Mideast affairs.

[Ya-ta Boy]

What makes Islamofascists worse than (Western) fascists? A bigot is a bigot and I for one refuse to line up behind someone just because he has blue eyes rather than brown eyes. I prefer to reject bigots of whatever stripe, especially ones from 'my' side of the color divide. Why? Because in spite of the Enlightenment they pretend to be enlightened while preaching hate. Stevie, you have reached a new low. And for you, that is pretty damn low.

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[Adventurer]

[Funkdafied]

You quoted me, and then wrote some words underneath. But what you wrote was not a reply to me in any sense of the word.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Adventurer]

Are Muslims as implied by the video out there to go against Christians or non-Muslims point blank. The video appears to take the Quran and Islam out of context. It is Wahhabi-esque in its views and makes it seem Wahhabi type thinking is Islam. The Romans were defeated in Syria in large measure because over 10,000 Syrian Arab speaking Christians joined the ranks of the Muslims in the fight. One reason was they were tired of Roman tyranny and persecution of their sect. The Muslims, over all, treated the Christians well in Syria and in Spain. There were exceptions, there was some tyranny. Over all, minorities faired well.
Muslims were not trying to kill Christians whenever they could and the like. However, they were not so kind to non-monotheistic Hindus when they were launching wars. In the Crusades, the Islamic forces under Saladin were far more tolerant than the Christians. Sufism was also more common centuries ago, then it is today and could use a resurgence in the Islamic world, it may occur.

As far as Muslim immigrants to the West and immigration, in many cases Muslims are far more conservative than the Western Europeans and massive immigration can pose a problem. This would be the case for other minorities say from Africa who are quite different from Western Europeans. There is a lot of diversity among Muslims in Europe.
They are not identical. You have the European style Bosnian, Albanian, and Turkish Muslims, and then you have the North Africans and Arab
Muslims. Some Muslims are in contempt of Western values and the like. How prevalent that is, I do not know. Do I think the floodgates of immigration to any group should be open? No. Look at what's happening in the US with illegal immigration.

As far as fascism or violence, Muslims have not exceeded the Europeans in this regard. Europe in World War II lost easily over 50 million from wars. That makes Iraq look like nothing. In Algeria, over one million people died in the Algerian fight for freedom from France. I am sure the French killed far more Algerians than French were killed, so you can multiply that by Sept.11th maybe 300 times in terms of the number of deaths there. They are people, too, not just the Japanese, Americans, Canadians, and Pakistanis killed at the Two Towers or in Spain.
We are all people worthy of dignity. How many thousands died in Lebanon using American weapons by the IDF and IAF and the indiscriminate bombing of civilians was absolutely horrible that even a member of the Jewish National Fund, Charles Fischbein resigned.
We are talking about people, and the war between some Muslims and non-Muslims cannot be disconnected from stupid decisions by European leaders in the past.

How about what can be done to build bridges when we have a whole world in more peril than this so-called War on Terror. Terrorism is a concern, but you need allies among the Muslim population to deal with that, and making all Muslims an enemy is not a solution.

I do have problems with some closed-minded Muslims, I do have problems with the lack of the promotion of freedom of religion in the Muslim world, certain views when it come to women's rights, though some progress has been made in those areas. Europe could help by increasing aid to Morroco when it comes to education. Europe is helping Turkey which wants to join the EU when it comes to education. That is positive.

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[Ya-ta Boy]

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[stevemcgarrett]

Ya-Ta Boy penned:

[Adventurer]