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Darkness
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Tongue Twisters |
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I'm looking for tongue twisters on here, but the search function is so useless on this site! Why doesn't dave upgrade his shit?!?!!
Anyway...anyone have a link of good tongue twisters in particular ones with P.B.R.L.TH,V....the typically letters Koreans have a hard time with.
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I'm Seoul Lost
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Location: In the mountains of Gyeonggi
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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"I'm not the pheasant pucker, I'm the pheasant pucker's wife" |
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CentralCali
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm Seoul Lost wrote: |
"I'm not the pheasant pucker, I'm the pheasant pucker's wife" |
Didn't the Irish Rovers (band) have a song like that?
I'm not the pheasant pucker, I'm the pheasant plucker's son.
I'm sitting plucking pheasants till the pheasant plucker comes. |
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Rumple

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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R/L
Larry's lower level turtle really likes to learn.
R/L and V/B
Robert's lover, the rare rabbit robber, lowered Luther's Luger through the louver.
TH/TH (voiced and unvoiced)
The thirty three thieves thought that they thrilled the throne throughout Thursday.
S/Z
Denise sees the fleece
Denise sees the fleas
At least Denise could sneeze
And feed and freeze the fleas
This one is hard: Ah (as in rock)/Oh (as in joke)/Uh (as in but)/Ooh (as in food) and R/L
Rory the warrior and Roger the worrier were reared wrongly in a rural brewery.
The holy mother of tongue twisters (for Koreans)
Helps with TH/TH, CH/TR, F/B, S/Z
Through three cheese trees three free fleas flew
While these fleas flew, a freezing breeze blew
The freezing breeze made these three trees freeze
The frozen trees made these trees' cheese freeze
That's what made these three free fleas sneeze
I have a routine with these. I write them on the board while they sit there, so they see one word at a time. After I write it, I say it slowly. After that, I say and have them repeat, one word at a time (or one phrase if they are advanced). Then I give them time to practice themselves. They take 5-10 minutes usually, and when the noise level drops (as they are finishing), we do it one line at a time as a group, then the whole thing as a group, then I go around the room having each one say it individually, to check for understanding, and I stop them if they make a mistake and correct them. Usually we do one tongue twister in 20 to 30 minutes, although it can be 10 minutes if they pick one up fast. I usually come with 4 prepared and do 2 or 3 in my allotted time. |
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Darkness
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome,thanks!! |
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Carlyles Ghost
Joined: 04 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Fluffy.
Fuzzy's.
Puffy.
Puppy.
Fluffy Fuzzy's Puffy Puppy! |
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thatwhitegirl

Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Location: ROK
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've been doing tongue twisters this semester in each class as a warmup. I do a new one each class, plus review the ones we've already covered. I had to make a few up, but here are the ones I've used so far.
Zero zippers in the zebra zoo.
Ziggy the zestful Zulu likes zinc and zucchini.
Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. (They have a hard time with that one)
Sue sells seashells by the seashore. (reduced length for ease)
Larry the lazy lion lost his lovely lady lover.
Victor the violent vampire vanished with his victim forever.
Randy the royal rat ran around the red rhinoceros.
These things think the thoughts that those things think.
I write one on the board and say it for them. Then we go over the words and meanings. Then I break it up and we say it in bits. I give them a minute to practice and then I'll call on students. These are high schoolers that are at a fairly good level. It does seem to help their pronunciation, and it gets them into speaking English words right off the bat...good warm up, if nothing else. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Are tongue twisters appropriate for lower-level students?
I tried "Betty loves the velvet vest best" with 5th graders and they couldn't get it out. Any ideas for setting it up if they're not getting it? The idea earlier about breaking it up is great, but these kids can't even get one line down straight.  |
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Rumple

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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jkelly80 wrote: |
Are tongue twisters appropriate for lower-level students?
I tried "Betty loves the velvet vest best" with 5th graders and they couldn't get it out. Any ideas for setting it up if they're not getting it? The idea earlier about breaking it up is great, but these kids can't even get one line down straight. :twisted: |
That's because they don't understand mouth organ placement to make the sound. Tongue twisters are for training the brain to put the mouth organs in the correct configuration, but not for teaching the brain how to configure the mouth.
You need to just start with a sound. Ask them first to just LISTEN to you say "bee" and "vee." Ask them if they can hear a difference. If they say no, then do it again, in a pronounced way "Buh, buh, BEE." "Vvv, vvv, VEE." Have them practice identifying B and V first. Then tell them exactly how to configure their mouths. "Put your bottom lip against your teeth, and go 'fffff'. Now use your voice to make 'fff' into 'vvv'." Then they'll know F and V. If they already know F, then V is easier: just make an V sound and turn on your voice. F and V are an unvoiced/voiced pair. |
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matthews_world
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Rumple wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
Are tongue twisters appropriate for lower-level students?
I tried "Betty loves the velvet vest best" with 5th graders and they couldn't get it out. Any ideas for setting it up if they're not getting it? The idea earlier about breaking it up is great, but these kids can't even get one line down straight.  |
That's because they don't understand mouth organ placement to make the sound. Tongue twisters are for training the brain to put the mouth organs in the correct configuration, but not for teaching the brain how to configure the mouth.
You need to just start with a sound. Ask them first to just LISTEN to you say "bee" and "vee." Ask them if they can hear a difference. If they say no, then do it again, in a pronounced way "Buh, buh, BEE." "Vvv, vvv, VEE." Have them practice identifying B and V first. Then tell them exactly how to configure their mouths. "Put your bottom lip against your teeth, and go 'fffff'. Now use your voice to make 'fff' into 'vvv'." Then they'll know F and V. If they already know F, then V is easier: just make an V sound and turn on your voice. F and V are an unvoiced/voiced pair. |
Sorry I should have mentioned this is a follow up to a 5-minute "v/b" excercise from the previous week and following up a 5 minute review within the same class. I'm pretty familiar with the IPA and the concept of minimal pairs and such but I can't seem to figure out how to get them to produce. I did a van/ban minimal pair practice too and they seemed to be able to hear the difference but when it's time for production, a few louder students get it but I'm pretty sure the others don't.
I started with the greatly exaggerated mouth configuration to get them used to labiodentals and then had them do the "buzz" thing that I did with an earlier "is/it's" voiced/unvoiced thing. So they've practiced "v" at least twice before. I think they get that there's a difference and most of them understand the mouth configuration but they're having trouble with putting together a string of v's. Just practice more and slow it down? |
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Rumple

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: |
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jkelly80 wrote: |
Rumple wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
Are tongue twisters appropriate for lower-level students?
I tried "Betty loves the velvet vest best" with 5th graders and they couldn't get it out. Any ideas for setting it up if they're not getting it? The idea earlier about breaking it up is great, but these kids can't even get one line down straight. :twisted: |
That's because they don't understand mouth organ placement to make the sound. Tongue twisters are for training the brain to put the mouth organs in the correct configuration, but not for teaching the brain how to configure the mouth.
You need to just start with a sound. Ask them first to just LISTEN to you say "bee" and "vee." Ask them if they can hear a difference. If they say no, then do it again, in a pronounced way "Buh, buh, BEE." "Vvv, vvv, VEE." Have them practice identifying B and V first. Then tell them exactly how to configure their mouths. "Put your bottom lip against your teeth, and go 'fffff'. Now use your voice to make 'fff' into 'vvv'." Then they'll know F and V. If they already know F, then V is easier: just make an V sound and turn on your voice. F and V are an unvoiced/voiced pair. |
Sorry I should have mentioned this is a follow up to a 5-minute "v/b" excercise from the previous week and following up a 5 minute review within the same class. I'm pretty familiar with the IPA and the concept of minimal pairs and such but I can't seem to figure out how to get them to produce. I did a van/ban minimal pair practice too and they seemed to be able to hear the difference but when it's time for production, a few louder students get it but I'm pretty sure the others don't.
I started with the greatly exaggerated mouth configuration to get them used to labiodentals and then had them do the "buzz" thing that I did with an earlier "is/it's" voiced/unvoiced thing. So they've practiced "v" at least twice before. I think they get that there's a difference and most of them understand the mouth configuration but they're having trouble with putting together a string of v's. Just practice more and slow it down? |
Ah, you've got a good grasp of applied linguistics, so I don't know if I can be of help. Try setting them on an activity and while they are working work 1 on 1 for 5 minutes a piece with the kids that are having trouble. That sort of focused attention can sometimes produce results where classwork can't.
Other than that, I'm at a loss.
For me, the single hardest sound to get them to pronounce correctly is "er" as in "girl" and "earn." It always comes out "ar" as in hard. I tried telling them to say it with their teeth together, so they couldn't open their mouths for the "ah" that goes with "ar," but it just produced a strangled "ar." |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Rumple wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
Rumple wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
Are tongue twisters appropriate for lower-level students?
I tried "Betty loves the velvet vest best" with 5th graders and they couldn't get it out. Any ideas for setting it up if they're not getting it? The idea earlier about breaking it up is great, but these kids can't even get one line down straight.  |
That's because they don't understand mouth organ placement to make the sound. Tongue twisters are for training the brain to put the mouth organs in the correct configuration, but not for teaching the brain how to configure the mouth.
You need to just start with a sound. Ask them first to just LISTEN to you say "bee" and "vee." Ask them if they can hear a difference. If they say no, then do it again, in a pronounced way "Buh, buh, BEE." "Vvv, vvv, VEE." Have them practice identifying B and V first. Then tell them exactly how to configure their mouths. "Put your bottom lip against your teeth, and go 'fffff'. Now use your voice to make 'fff' into 'vvv'." Then they'll know F and V. If they already know F, then V is easier: just make an V sound and turn on your voice. F and V are an unvoiced/voiced pair. |
Sorry I should have mentioned this is a follow up to a 5-minute "v/b" excercise from the previous week and following up a 5 minute review within the same class. I'm pretty familiar with the IPA and the concept of minimal pairs and such but I can't seem to figure out how to get them to produce. I did a van/ban minimal pair practice too and they seemed to be able to hear the difference but when it's time for production, a few louder students get it but I'm pretty sure the others don't.
I started with the greatly exaggerated mouth configuration to get them used to labiodentals and then had them do the "buzz" thing that I did with an earlier "is/it's" voiced/unvoiced thing. So they've practiced "v" at least twice before. I think they get that there's a difference and most of them understand the mouth configuration but they're having trouble with putting together a string of v's. Just practice more and slow it down? |
Ah, you've got a good grasp of applied linguistics, so I don't know if I can be of help. Try setting them on an activity and while they are working work 1 on 1 for 5 minutes a piece with the kids that are having trouble. That sort of focused attention can sometimes produce results where classwork can't.
Other than that, I'm at a loss.
For me, the single hardest sound to get them to pronounce correctly is "er" as in "girl" and "earn." It always comes out "ar" as in hard. I tried telling them to say it with their teeth together, so they couldn't open their mouths for the "ah" that goes with "ar," but it just produced a strangled "ar." |
Yeah I have a good grasp of the theory but the teaching is proving a little difficult. Thanks for your help. I'll see about giving them some more attention. I guess just practice practice practice. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: |
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jkelly80 wrote: |
Rumple wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
Rumple wrote: |
jkelly80 wrote: |
Are tongue twisters appropriate for lower-level students?
I tried "Betty loves the velvet vest best" with 5th graders and they couldn't get it out. Any ideas for setting it up if they're not getting it? The idea earlier about breaking it up is great, but these kids can't even get one line down straight.  |
That's because they don't understand mouth organ placement to make the sound. Tongue twisters are for training the brain to put the mouth organs in the correct configuration, but not for teaching the brain how to configure the mouth.
You need to just start with a sound. Ask them first to just LISTEN to you say "bee" and "vee." Ask them if they can hear a difference. If they say no, then do it again, in a pronounced way "Buh, buh, BEE." "Vvv, vvv, VEE." Have them practice identifying B and V first. Then tell them exactly how to configure their mouths. "Put your bottom lip against your teeth, and go 'fffff'. Now use your voice to make 'fff' into 'vvv'." Then they'll know F and V. If they already know F, then V is easier: just make an V sound and turn on your voice. F and V are an unvoiced/voiced pair. |
Sorry I should have mentioned this is a follow up to a 5-minute "v/b" excercise from the previous week and following up a 5 minute review within the same class. I'm pretty familiar with the IPA and the concept of minimal pairs and such but I can't seem to figure out how to get them to produce. I did a van/ban minimal pair practice too and they seemed to be able to hear the difference but when it's time for production, a few louder students get it but I'm pretty sure the others don't.
I started with the greatly exaggerated mouth configuration to get them used to labiodentals and then had them do the "buzz" thing that I did with an earlier "is/it's" voiced/unvoiced thing. So they've practiced "v" at least twice before. I think they get that there's a difference and most of them understand the mouth configuration but they're having trouble with putting together a string of v's. Just practice more and slow it down? |
Ah, you've got a good grasp of applied linguistics, so I don't know if I can be of help. Try setting them on an activity and while they are working work 1 on 1 for 5 minutes a piece with the kids that are having trouble. That sort of focused attention can sometimes produce results where classwork can't.
Other than that, I'm at a loss.
For me, the single hardest sound to get them to pronounce correctly is "er" as in "girl" and "earn." It always comes out "ar" as in hard. I tried telling them to say it with their teeth together, so they couldn't open their mouths for the "ah" that goes with "ar," but it just produced a strangled "ar." |
Yeah I have a good grasp of the theory but the teaching is proving a little difficult. Thanks for your help. I'll see about giving them some more attention. I guess just practice practice practice. |
I find that starting at the end of the sentence helps. They seem to remember it better and it helps with the pronunciation, too. |
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