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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Complaining about Korea to a Korean spouse |
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I do this way too much. It's something I have to stop doing because it really does create a wedge and it hurts my wife's feelings.
My wife understands my frustrations and usually tolerates my comments, but I know my comments touch her in a negative way.
While driving, I'll make a comment about Korean drivers. While shopping, I'll point out the cutting in line or the shouting meat-seller or the clueless cart-rammer/blocker of aisles. Around town, I'll point out the farmers-in-suits staring at me and my family, giggling, pointing and mesmerized-looking. While crossing the street with my family, I'll make an angry statement about the dangers of simply walking around with my family.
The reason I do this, I guess, is I want vindication and support for my peeves. My wife is my best friend, my leaning post, my sounding board and my confidante (sp). However, my needs are also bringing about a negative vibe and causes our relationship to suffer.
The other day, while driving, I said "Fukcing Koreans and their driving!!!" etcetera, etcetera, and my wife lashed back with "Fukcing Canadians and their intolerance!!!" You gotta love her for that. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on how much, but back home I am always saying "Bloody French and their shitty driving" or "Stupid Canadian taxes" etc etc. I actually cuss Canadians (my home) more than I do Koreans. I know emotionally it's different when it's your home you are cussing compared to someone else's (for example your wife), but it's pretty normal. I am sure she would do the same thing back in your country
Though, there is still a line between just cussing stupidity and being racist. I do assume from your posts though it's not the racist one. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah. It's a tricky one.
She's your wife and you want to tell her how you feel about stuff. Yet, you can't just hammer her countrymen all the time. Even if your ire is justified.
I try to vent to my wife in a humorous way so she can share my amusement at the wacked out things Koreans do. |
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pocariboy73
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Complaining about Korea to a Korean spouse |
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I hear ya. I have the same problem...
Hanson wrote: |
I do this way too much. It's something I have to stop doing because it really does create a wedge and it hurts my wife's feelings.
My wife understands my frustrations and usually tolerates my comments, but I know my comments touch her in a negative way.
While driving, I'll make a comment about Korean drivers. While shopping, I'll point out the cutting in line or the shouting meat-seller or the clueless cart-rammer/blocker of aisles. Around town, I'll point out the farmers-in-suits staring at me and my family, giggling, pointing and mesmerized-looking. While crossing the street with my family, I'll make an angry statement about the dangers of simply walking around with my family.
The reason I do this, I guess, is I want vindication and support for my peeves. My wife is my best friend, my leaning post, my sounding board and my confidante (sp). However, my needs are also bringing about a negative vibe and causes our relationship to suffer.
The other day, while driving, I said "Fukcing Koreans and their driving!!!" etcetera, etcetera, and my wife lashed back with "Fukcing Canadians and their intolerance!!!" You gotta love her for that. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Complaining about Korea to a Korean spouse |
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Hanson wrote: |
I do this way too much. It's something I have to stop doing because it really does create a wedge and it hurts my wife's feelings.
My wife understands my frustrations and usually tolerates my comments, but I know my comments touch her in a negative way.
While driving, I'll make a comment about Korean drivers. While shopping, I'll point out the cutting in line or the shouting meat-seller or the clueless cart-rammer/blocker of aisles. Around town, I'll point out the farmers-in-suits staring at me and my family, giggling, pointing and mesmerized-looking. While crossing the street with my family, I'll make an angry statement about the dangers of simply walking around with my family.
The reason I do this, I guess, is I want vindication and support for my peeves. My wife is my best friend, my leaning post, my sounding board and my confidante (sp). However, my needs are also bringing about a negative vibe and causes our relationship to suffer.
The other day, while driving, I said "Fukcing Koreans and their driving!!!" etcetera, etcetera, and my wife lashed back with "Fukcing Canadians and their intolerance!!!" You gotta love her for that. |
I do it too. I try to catch myself, but I have a big mouth sometimes.
My wife agrees that Korea is very far from perfect, and I rank on my own country (America) probably just as much (if not more), but these days whenever I criticize Korea in any small way it seems to have an effect on her that I didn't intend. Nationalism is rearing it's head.
I don't make a hobby out of putting people or countries down, but sometimes you get pissed and you make a comment or three.
(sigh) |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is perfect society |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Location: Inchon
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Complaining about Korea to a Korean spouse |
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Hanson wrote: |
I do this way too much. It's something I have to stop doing because it really does create a wedge and it hurts my wife's feelings.
My wife understands my frustrations and usually tolerates my comments, but I know my comments touch her in a negative way.
While driving, I'll make a comment about Korean drivers. While shopping, I'll point out the cutting in line or the shouting meat-seller or the clueless cart-rammer/blocker of aisles. Around town, I'll point out the farmers-in-suits staring at me and my family, giggling, pointing and mesmerized-looking. While crossing the street with my family, I'll make an angry statement about the dangers of simply walking around with my family.
The reason I do this, I guess, is I want vindication and support for my peeves. My wife is my best friend, my leaning post, my sounding board and my confidante (sp). However, my needs are also bringing about a negative vibe and causes our relationship to suffer.
The other day, while driving, I said "Fukcing Koreans and their driving!!!" etcetera, etcetera, and my wife lashed back with "Fukcing Canadians and their intolerance!!!" You gotta love her for that. |
Same for me, except I don't drive
Really, just try to remove the 'Korean' part of your statements. Saying things like 'that bloody idiot cut me off' are more accurate and less Korea-hater sounding. Not every Korean is a shitty driver (I've got proof), and say something to those fools who cut in line, even if it is in (polite but firm) English (with a bit of improv sign lagnauge) they'll get the hint. Take a bit of action, instead of cussing internally, and it will go a ways towards making you feel better about things. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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What they are here for.
I am pretty sure if it was back in the west we would have been divorced ten times over by now.
I know that there is now way any woman other than my missus would put up with my rants. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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I do it all the time!!! Lucky for me, my husband spent a lot of his youth in France and Germany and completely understands where I am coming from.. so he handles my complaints quite well... but I think it still pisses him off. |
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Hank the Iconoclast

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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I have been in the exact same situation. I usually start cursing about the banks everytime I go in one with her. I try to control myself and I feel guilty for going on a tirade. She is definitely understanding though, so I have to give her credit. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Try singling out the target of your frustration. Instead of complaining to her about Korean drivers, complain to her about that particular driver who ran a red light, drove on the sidewalk, etc. After all, if she's a driver, then she's also a Korean driver. That means that you attacked her personally even if you didn't mean it that way.
And, as inkoreaforgood posted, not all Korean drivers here are bad. Actually, I'd think that if the bad drivers were the majority, then the accident rate, high as it is now, would be even higher. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Complaining about Korea to a Korean spouse |
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pocariboy73 wrote: |
I hear ya. I have the same problem...
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I refuse to believe that you could ever possibly have a bad word to say about anyone:
(edit: Where's the other pic with you flying around in some backyard in front of a shed?) |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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In my humble opinion it reflects poorly on the education system of the country that many in Korea cannot handle criticism of the place. After all, kids there are taught from a young age that Korea is infallible and mighty. My spouse is Indonesian and although nationalism can be just as horrid here, she has no issue with me criticising the place, nor do I have a problem with her candid observations about Australia. And of course you have that special brand of love-it-or-leave-it American, who I find to be amongst the most detestable sub-species of westerner. Being proud of your country is fine, but having blind faith in the place is just plain dumb. |
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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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I appreciate this thread. So many times I've complained and bitched about Korea to my girlfriend. I love her and it makes me feel extremely bad for bad-mouthing her country. But she is amazingly tolerant and forgiving of my big mouth. As I start into a rant about Korea there's a voice in my head saying "Shut the fukc up. Are you intentionally trying to hurt this wonderful person's feelings?" but, incredibly, I ignore it and rant on. Ten minutes later I get these attacks of guilt and feel terrible. I promise myself to mind my tonque in future. But sometimes Korea really, really, really gets to me and I can't hold back. And if she's the only person with me she gets to hear my complaints. I went into a rant a couple of weeks ago and I felt sick about it for a couple of days.
Korea can drive a person nuts. The (ten) thousand little things.....
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Complaining about Korea to a Korean spouse |
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Hanson wrote: |
I do this way too much. It's something I have to stop doing because it really does create a wedge and it hurts my wife's feelings.
My wife understands my frustrations and usually tolerates my comments, but I know my comments touch her in a negative way.
While driving, I'll make a comment about Korean drivers. While shopping, I'll point out the cutting in line or the shouting meat-seller or the clueless cart-rammer/blocker of aisles. Around town, I'll point out the farmers-in-suits staring at me and my family, giggling, pointing and mesmerized-looking. While crossing the street with my family, I'll make an angry statement about the dangers of simply walking around with my family.
The reason I do this, I guess, is I want vindication and support for my peeves. My wife is my best friend, my leaning post, my sounding board and my confidante (sp). However, my needs are also bringing about a negative vibe and causes our relationship to suffer.
The other day, while driving, I said "Fukcing Koreans and their driving!!!" etcetera, etcetera, and my wife lashed back with "Fukcing Canadians and their intolerance!!!" You gotta love her for that. |
why not just go back to canada and see that actually everyone is F@#@ked up there too!! you have been here so long you forget all humans are retarted
this is the way it is here, canadians do plenty of stupid chit you just dont remember because you are experiencing the past 5 years here in your life! |
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