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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:53 am    Post subject: What is racism? Reply with quote

I thought I knew, but some of the ideas that come up on this board are starting to confuse me. I've seen xenophobia, specific countries, religion and, even, being from a certain area of a country used as the definition. A little bit ago, I read a poster speculating that CPA is (was?) racist. I never got that impression - a rose-colored-glasses wearing apologist, at best, a troll, at worst, but not a racist.

Often it seems that people cry racism just to shut another poster up.

What bothers me, and it gets back to the old grammar/spelling/punctuation argument, when you use the term racist loosely, you cheapen it. It's a bad thing and shouldn't be thrown around.

God knows there is racism and it's probably not going away any time soon. I've seen it on this board today, but today I've seen things written and opinions about racism that are so far from any real definition of racism, that I question if some people do know what it is.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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today I've seen things written and opinions about racism that are so far from any real definition of racism, that I question if some people do know what it is.

Since it's your thread, and you don't like the way "racism" has been used today, can you provide us with "any real definition of racism"?
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ratslash



Joined: 08 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

racism: the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

discrimination or prejudice based on race.


another definition:-

the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.

discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race.


so basically what happened to me on the subway the other night by a korean male who should have known better. also what happened to derreck when he was "just walking along minding his own business". also what happened to the black english teacher guy when he was called a "monkey" and ended up in a fight.....

to name just three cases out of many more. all this by people, a race that is classed as advanced, who should really know better.

or am i being racist in my wide, sweeping generilsation of a race of people? my apologies if anybody thinks i am.....
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William Beckerson
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 2:58 am    Post subject: Re: What is racism? Reply with quote

gypsyfish wrote:

Often it seems that people cry racism just to shut another poster up.

Do you mean Coffecup and Gollum?

Gollum is is an ignorant boob, and Coffecup is using "reverse racism" as an excuse to support his bigotry. And they're both in Liberal Arts Degree territory, so they should have some pretty good reasons to be so stupid. The thing is, they dont. They post their crap, and then when it gets decimated, they use insults to shut their critics up.

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What bothers me, and it gets back to the old grammar/spelling/punctuation argument, when you use the term racist loosely, you cheapen it. It's a bad thing and shouldn't be thrown around.

Their arguments were based on the idea that africans and arabs were violent and unintelligent due to their race. That makes it racist.

Pretty simple, huh?
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Squid



Joined: 25 Jul 2003
Location: Sunny Anyang

PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coffeecup and Gollum: Two dogs fighting over a piece of s*it (The Korean saying).

Squid
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another irritating aspect of this issue is the lack of a clear definition of 'race' itself.
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mishlert



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But then aren't we all part of the human race? Smile
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: What is racism? Reply with quote

William Beckerson wrote:
Their arguments were based on the idea that africans and arabs were violent and unintelligent due to their race. That makes it racist.


Hmm....I don't really want to get involved in this...but oh well, I will. I'm not defending any posters by any means here, but I disagree. I think the idea about Africans and Arabs is making a generalization based on a stereotype, and let us not forget that stereotypes are very *often* based on truth. Stereotypes exist for a reason....our survival instinct kicks in. It would be racist if someone said whites were better than africans and arabs. But I didn't see anyone here saying that so....

I think we are all too quick to see racism, homophobia, etc. where they don't NECESSARILY exist--at least not in their purest form.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rascism is an atittude that is accepted by one group against another because it's the thing to do. Like the white South Africans former apartheid against the blacks, or the rest of the world's anti semitic feelings about the jews.

Last edited by Medic on Mon Sep 15, 2003 6:29 am; edited 1 time in total
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: What is racism? Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
It would be racist if someone said whites were better than africans and arabs. But I didn't see anyone here saying that so....



May I direct your attention to the thread on Africans and arabs in itaweon? And Foreigners grouped together, or whatever its called?

Seems to me Coffee cup feels that africans (and blacks) are more prone to violence than other races. That, I'm afraid, fits the bill as racism since he is, in fact, saying whites are better than africans (less violent and all).
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William Beckerson
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: What is racism? Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
let us not forget that stereotypes are very *often* based on truth.


Like:

- Black men are all sexual supermen?

- White men cant jump?

- Asian guys are all good at math and have small weiners?

- Arabs are all flying-jets-into-skyscrapers terrorists?

- Republicans are dirty liars?

- Conservatives hate gays and wish they would die of AIDS?

- Christians are backwards bible thumpers?

- Liberals are hippie tree huggers?

- People who date or marry outside of their own race do it because they cant get none otherwise?


I agree, they do exist for a reason. It makes it easier for us to justify our animal urges
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whatthefunk



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Dont have a clue

PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Race is an arbitrary term used to describe a group of people based on physical characteristics. It really has no use other than to blindly classify people based on small genetic differences. The problem with the term is that there are no clear cut boundries in physical human differences.
So skin color for example...
On one end of the spectrum is extremely white. On the other end is extremely black. Where do you draw the line between white and black? You can't really. Its all just crap. I think that its best to look at people in terms of culture.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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racism: the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


That's pretty much it in a nutshell. If you actually believe people of other races have different characters then you are a racist.

However, if you are like me then you have been led to suspect that most people of certain races behave in a certain way then you are a product of bad education and/or lack of interaction.

One small anecdote might help explain what I mean;

One night, about 2am, in July 1997 I found myself on the side-walk in Greenwich Village, New York. I'd just had a great night watching Blues bands with a mix of black and white strangers. Some of the black guys asked me if I wanted to go on to their party in the Bronx. I made a split-second decision and told a little lie about having to get up early in the morning. Later, while on the subway back to where I was staying I realised that if all those guys were white and not black, I probably would've gone with them.

My point is, I liked those guys. They were nothing but friendly to me all night. My problem was that I suspected I might not be safe at their party because I would be among black people.

This just makes me one of those people who were not educated enough or exposed to enough people of other races.

I feel I'm not a racist but sometimes I think a little like one. Something I have to deal with and correct.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: What is racism? Reply with quote

William Beckerson wrote:


Like:

- Black men are all sexual supermen?

- White men cant jump?

- Asian guys are all good at math and have small weiners?

- Arabs are all flying-jets-into-skyscrapers terrorists?

- Republicans are dirty liars?

- Conservatives hate gays and wish they would die of AIDS?

- Christians are backwards bible thumpers?

- Liberals are hippie tree huggers?

- People who date or marry outside of their own race do it because they cant get none otherwise?


I agree, they do exist for a reason. It makes it easier for us to justify our animal urges


Oh come on Will. Your post indicates you find all these stereotypes loathsome or at the very least wrong-headed. Yet how many of them are perpetuated daily on this messageboard (there was even an entire post dedicated to how none of our lovely well-hung Western gentleman could fit into the condoms designed for tiny Korean equipment)? I don't recall hearing too many voices raised in protest over that one. So what was that? Perhaps you never read that thread? Or one of many others like it...? Hey, fight to eliminate stereotypes and racism everywhere if that's your deal, but don't pick and choose, huh?
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prejudice is different from stereotyping in that it usually includes a strong feeling of dislike or hatred for the other group. However , many prejudiced people hold very negative stereotyped beliefs about the individuals in a group while genuinely liking them. For example the attitude of many conventionally sexist men who like women but persist in believing that women are inferior to men in various ways

Another source of prejudice may be the need to maintain and reassert ones status. The groups who are most prejudiced in a society tend to be those who have the least status within the dominant group. These people at the bottom of the hierarchy of the dominant group strive to feel superior at least to the objects of their prejudice.
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