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stevemcgarrett
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 Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: BOOK 'EM, DANNO: U.S. Customs Detains Chinese Smugglers |
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Wo Fat is dead and gone but Red China continues its espionage almost unchecked. Yes, I know all the big powers do it; but what is so audacious this time is that the would-be smugglers were forewarned by the very authorities who nabbed them:
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Two Chinese charged after hi-tech cameras found in luggage
(AFP) Mon Apr 7, 2008
LOS ANGELES: Two Chinese men have been charged with breaching US export laws after being caught trying to take 10 thermal-imaging cameras out of the country illegally, justice officials said Monday.
The two men -- a Chinese national and a naturalized US citizen -- were arrested on Saturday at Los Angeles International Airport after the cameras which have potential military use were found in their luggage.
Chao Tai Wei, 52, and Guo Zhiyong, 49, have both been charged with attempting to export a restricted item without a license, a Justice Department statement said.
The cameras are export-controlled for national security, nuclear proliferation and regional stability reasons, the statement said.
According to court documents, Chao bought three cameras last year and shipped them to China. However when he ordered 10 more of the cameras last month from FLIR Systems, he was repeatedly warned he would need a license to take them back to China but failed to apply for one.
Chao and Guo were detained after a search of their luggage as they prepared to board a flight to China on Saturday.
US authorities have recently accused China of "aggressively" trying to steal sensitive US military technology and information.
US engineer Chi Mak was jailed for 24 years last month for conspiring to smuggle Navy submarine technology to China, justice officials said.
Mak, 65, who worked for an American company with several Navy contracts, was convicted last May of trying to export intelligence about silent submarines in a plot that involved four members of his family. |
Uh, question for the cops:
Why would they have been allowed to take them out with a license? Are they sensitive or aren't they?
and for the posters:
And why do you suppose they ignored the warnings? Might it have something to do with lax enforcement standards or were they just plain foolish?
I say book 'em, try them in court, and lock them up for good as spies. And then trace these sales wherever and to whomever they lead, book 'em, try them in court, and lock them up for good--as traitors. |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: Re: BOOK 'EM, DANNO: U.S. Customs Detains Chinese Smugglers |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| And then trace these sales wherever and to whomever they lead, book 'em, try them in court, and lock them up for good--as traitors. |
The article clearly states that they got the cameras from FLIR systems. In America we don't generally try someone and lock them up for good unless they have actually broken some law. It is not against the law to sell the cameras, it is illegal to export them without a license. Once FLIR has sold the cameras to someone in the U.S. , FLIR has no control over what that person does with the cameras. Apparently you are advocating for the U.S. to abandon the rule of law and lock someone up for good, even though they have broken no law. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently you are advocating for the U.S. to abandon the rule of law and lock someone up for good, even though they have broken no law. |
No, I want them prosecuted for violating the licensing part of the law and I'd like to see the law amended to stymie this kind of behavior.
We don't as a rule do enough to protect our borders and our technology and while much of both are difficult to control, we should at least make a concerted effort to try. Their audacity is a direct reflection of their general belief that we don't do enough to back up what we say.
Then again, maybe we should hold them on trumped up charges the same as what they do with Chinese born American dissidents and journalists. Oh, I know, we wouldn't want to stoop that low. |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
jay responded:
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| Apparently you are advocating for the U.S. to abandon the rule of law and lock someone up for good, even though they have broken no law. |
No, I want them prosecuted for violating the licensing part of the law and I'd like to see the law amended to stymie this kind of behavior.. |
The 2 guys who tried to smuggle them out of the country in their luggage ARE being prosecuted for violating the license part of the law. The license requirement does not apply to those selling the goods in the U.S. The license applies to someone trying to export the goods that are legally available in the U.S. The seller did not violate the license requirement, the exporters did. Who exactly are the "traitors" that you think should be locked up? |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: BOOK 'EM, DANNO: U.S. Customs Detains Chinese Smugglers |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Uh, question for the cops:
Why would they have been allowed to take them out with a license? Are they sensitive or aren't they?
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Answer for the cops: Because that's what the law says, and we cops don't write the laws, we just enforce them. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: BOOK 'EM, DANNO: U.S. Customs Detains Chinese Smugglers |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Uh, question for the cops:
Why would they have been allowed to take them out with a license? Are they sensitive or aren't they?
and for the posters:
And why do you suppose they ignored the warnings? Might it have something to do with lax enforcement standards or were they just plain foolish?
I say book 'em, try them in court, and lock them up for good as spies. And then trace these sales wherever and to whomever they lead, book 'em, try them in court, and lock them up for good--as traitors. |
For the cops:
They obviously weren't allowed to take them out without a licence, which is why they were arrested.
For the posters:
Why did they ignore the warnings? Well, they obviously wouldn't have been given the licence. That and they'd already exported some (I guess without the licence). It worked once before, so it looks like lax enforcement is to blame.
You've got some spies on your hand, but I don't see any traitors here. |
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