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Have you raised TIBET as an in-class ESL discussion issue?
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Have you raised "TIBET" as an in-class conversation discussion issue?
Yes ( free-talking, assigned essays, homework, research etc )
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No ( "too-hot" to touch, don't care, don't wanna know )
46%
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No ( not yet, but now that you mention it, just maybe i will )
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What's a TIBET?
20%
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Have you raised TIBET as an in-class ESL discussion issue? Reply with quote

When rioting broke out in various locations around TIBET & western China last week, i knew this would make for an interesing in-class conversation topic.

Here's just a few of my thoughts:

My impression is that many Koreans can relate to & sympathize with the plight of the Tibetans, as they themselves faced simliar oppression under many long years Japanese rule.

Moreover, lest we forget, Mao sent 40,000 PLA soldiers WEST into TIBET just shortly before the outbreak of the Korean war in 1950.

Coincidence you say? Nope ... sure don't think so.

Look at the size of Korea of a map, then look at the size of "the great western treasure house" TIBET Idea

Was China maybe hoping to conquer & "claim" BOTH as the "motherland's" proper historical sovereign territories?

If McCarthur had not defied the US President, and launched a successful offensive via Incheon, Korean policies could have today found itself under a more obvious & exclusive Chinese rule.

So, have you raised this issue, including the related histories, human rights, image of the upcoming Olympics etc?
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linton



Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay. First I teach at an elementary school so I don't think it is a good subject for free talking; but in a Korean school, I don't think it is a good idea to talk about complex political ideas ... we might put our view on the topic. I don't know all of the history of Tibet, but you pointed out: Korea, What if America had not supported the old Chinese Government, who was really corrupt ... What if we had not helped and protected the exiled Chinese government who kept Taiwan... Would the Chinese still have meddled in Korea?

I am from America and I do love my country, but why is it that so many are trying to talk about the Chinese human right record and the Olympics... Let's face it, the U.S.A. has one of the worst human rights records in history; in fact, Hitler created many of his superior race ideas from the U.S.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might assign it as a optional reading, but not a required class discussion topic.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach mostly elementary school aged kids but of the few middle school classes I have, the higher (A) level classes I have asked them about Tibet and they knew a bit about it.

Coincidentally, this was talked about in my class yesterday. Interest was so-so until I told the class about how China thinks Tibet is part of China, just as they have thought Korea is part of China, informing them about the Northeast project to re-write Chinese history as essentially multicultural (but ruled by the Han Chinese) and with North Korea and South Korea minus the Shilla kingdom areas of the Gyeongsang provinces.

The students were riveted when i spoke about it, then passionately resistant to the idea of Korea as part of anything.

The class became a hate-on about China, they bringing up the recent mouse head in Chinese made chips, I mentioning the toys made with lead paint.

Was the best topic in weeks. Very Happy
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pugwall



Joined: 22 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think we should incite Koreans to dislike their neighbours(Japan Korea) any more than they already do.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some Chinese students in my uni classes. They're generally very sheltered and friendly people from rich families. The spoken English of the female students runs rings around many of my Korean students the same age, however their TOEIC scores suck, so our school tends to place them lower than their speaking ability. I'm not surprised.

One of my friends speaks Chinese, and he spoke to a few of them at length about previous events (Tienamen Square). They believed it was all a fabrication.

They were thoroughly endoctrinated.

As a side note, I find it interesting how bent out of shape some get on this board when we're talking about Christians wanting to home-school in the USA (calling it brainwashing, indoctrination, etc.), but they don't mind China's strict media control. These same people are also some of the first people to get on a "go China" kick, speaking as if their forecasted economic success will release them from some kind of bondage from the USA's past success.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pugwall wrote:
I don't think we should incite Koreans to dislike their neighbours (Japan Korea) any more than they already do.


i've been careful to point out to my students that it's not ALL Chinese.

As we all know, there are many good, kind, salt of the earth Chinese.

One of the key problems, as i see it, is the country's largely despotic ( non-democratic ) criminal system of gov't.

They're long been systematically responsible for repressing their own ethnic HAN people as well Idea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080320/ap_on_re_as/china_tibet


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dmbfan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As a side note, I find it interesting how bent out of shape some get on this board when we're talking about Christians wanting to home-school in the USA (calling it brainwashing, indoctrination, etc.), but they don't mind China's strict media control. These same people are also some of the first people to get on a "go China" kick, speaking as if their forecasted economic success will release them from some kind of bondage from the USA's past success.




Interesting............true.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

linton wrote:
I am from America and I do love my country, but why is it that so many are trying to talk about the Chinese human right record and the Olympics... Let's face it, the U.S.A. has one of the worst human rights records in history; in fact, Hitler created many of his superior race ideas from the U.S.


America has human rights issues; every country does, including mine (Canada). To say though their human rights record is one of the worst in history is absolutely ridiculous.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If McCarthur had not defied the US President, and launched a successful offensive via Incheon


Are these two phrases about one event or two events?
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spliff



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tibet is China, nuff said.
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know someone who was in Beijing shortly after Tienanmen Square. The locals told him that it took many trucks to remove all the dead bodies. The official government story is a complete load of bull. Tell your students when they are back in China to try to talk to some people who lived there at the time about what happened. They might not want to tell the truth though. YOu might also want to bring up all the rural protests that happen all the time in China.
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pugwall



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
I know someone who was in Beijing shortly after Tienanmen Square. The locals told him that it took many trucks to remove all the dead bodies. The official government story is a complete load of bull. Tell your students when they are back in China to try to talk to some people who lived there at the time about what happened. They might not want to tell the truth though. YOu might also want to bring up all the rural protests that happen all the time in China.


In know way do I support the Chinas use of force against its own people but Tiananmen square was a lot more complicated than the Western media made out. Beijing had basically been shut down and a lot of undesirable elements had taken over the protestors. It was a BIG mistake and dialogue broke down to such a huge extent. I think you will find most older people know about what happened. They know more than most people in the Western world as our media is biased as well.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmbfan wrote:
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As a side note, I find it interesting how bent out of shape some get on this board when we're talking about Christians wanting to home-school in the USA (calling it brainwashing, indoctrination, etc.), but they don't mind China's strict media control. These same people are also some of the first people to get on a "go China" kick, speaking as if their forecasted economic success will release them from some kind of bondage from the USA's past success.




Interesting............true.


Anyone who likes or argues for China's strict media controls is an idiot. Any Christian who homeschools kids because they are afraid of secular schools polluting their kids' minds are idiots.

And for one poster, America does not have "one of the worst" records for human right abuses. Come on...

For the thread, why Tibet? Why not worry about the myriad of people dying in Africa as a topic? Tibetans might be losing their culture (not that bad actually, in my opinion) while many Africans are losing their lives. It's just so political. I don't think many people actually care about Tibet itself.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
dmbfan wrote:
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As a side note, I find it interesting how bent out of shape some get on this board when we're talking about Christians wanting to home-school in the USA (calling it brainwashing, indoctrination, etc.), but they don't mind China's strict media control. These same people are also some of the first people to get on a "go China" kick, speaking as if their forecasted economic success will release them from some kind of bondage from the USA's past success.




Interesting............true.


Anyone who likes or argues for China's strict media controls is an idiot. Any Christian who homeschools kids because they are afraid of secular schools polluting their kids' minds are idiots.

And for one poster, America does not have "one of the worst" records for human right abuses. Come on...

For the thread, why Tibet? Why not worry about the myriad of people dying in Africa as a topic? Tibetans might be losing their culture (not that bad actually, in my opinion) while many Africans are losing their lives. It's just so political. I don't think many people actually care about Tibet itself.


I'm interested in the Tibet issue, but I hung out with a lot of hipster/hippies in college, and it disgusted me how many of them used causes like Tibet and Darfur to seem more "cultured" and "liberal." They would wear the buttons and bring up the topics aggressively in philosophy/social science classes, but they were severely lacking details and many facts. Tibet and Darfur are, for lack of a better word, very "trendy."
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