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crescent
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 Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Creationists invade Museum of Nature. |
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Biblically correct tours teach children that the earth is 6,000 years old, and that T-Rex ate leaves.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8AeiAamjY |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Apparently Ben Stein is coming out with a pro-creationist movie soon.
All my Christian friends assure me that creationism really isn't all that threatening, just a bunch of fundamentalists making a lot of noise, but well, that's a whole christload of noise.
We get it, religious people. You think that a bunch of things that ancient people believed are true. Go on believing that crap, but when it comes to serious things like science, history, and medicine, have the dignity to set your superstitions aside. Think about all the rest of us who aren't religious for once (and don't think about selling us on your gods). |
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mikowee
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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WESTON, Wis. � An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.
Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.
"She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.
Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.
The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.
They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.
The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.
Telephone messages left at the Neumann home by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.
The family does not attend an organized church or participate in an organized religion, Vergin said. "They have a little Bible study of a few people."
The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said. The girl had attended public school during the first semester but didn't return for the second semester.
Officers went to the home after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.
The relative was fearful the girl was "extremely ill, dire," Vergin said.
The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.
"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."
The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.
The family operates a coffee shop in Weston, which is a suburb of Wausau, Vergin said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Like Sam Harris said in Letter to a Christian Nation, these people believe the entire cosmos was created about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue.
Cool vid.  |
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Froggy Parker
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Creationists invade Museum of Nature. |
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YECs are just about the most retarded people on earth. And obstinate, as well. Notice how dumb those tour guides seem to be. I bet neither one of them knows anything at all about evolution, or really any science at all.
Two problems in that video:
1. They refer to creationists as if they are all one group. Some creationists do believe in evolution, as well as the big bang theory. They just think Yahweh started it. It's the YECs who are fruit loops. Check out Skeptoid episode 82 (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4082) for a succinct description of various types of creationism.
2. They miscalculated the time that would've elapsed between Adam and Noah if there were 7 generations of people living 800 years. Sure, that idea is wacky, but at least treat it fairly. The video makes the assumption that a generation does not start until the previous one ends. 7 generations of people living to be 800 y.o. would be like 940 years. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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The gentleman in my avatar is a moderate.
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"Darwin helped explain nature�s laws. He did not speculate, in his published theories at least, on the origin of life. He did not exclude God, for Whom the immensity of time is but a moment, from our presence. The only undeniable challenge the theory of evolution poses to Christian beliefs is its obvious contradiction of the idea that God created the world as it is in less than a week. But our faith is certainly not so weak that it can be shaken to learn that a biblical metaphor is not literal history. Nature doesn�t threaten our faith. On the contrary, when we contemplate its beauty and mysteries we cannot quiet in our heart an insistent impulse of belief that for all its variations and inevitable change, before its creation, in a time before time, God let it be so, and, thus, its many splendors and purposes abide in His purpose.�
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Q: Do you believe in evolution?
McCAIN: Yes.
Q: I'm curious, is there anybody on the stage that does not agree, believe in evolution?
[TANCREDO, HUCKABEE, and BROWNBACK raise their hands, indicating that they do not believe in evolution].
McCAIN: I believe in evolution. But I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also.
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I respect McCain's faith even though I'm an atheist and an anti-theist. Whether I respect someone's faith depends entirely on the person. If you're John McCain, yes. If you're a young Earth creationist like the bloody daft buggers in that vid, no. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| I respect McCain's faith even though I'm an atheist and an anti-theist. Whether I respect someone's faith depends entirely on the person. If you're John McCain, yes. If you're a young Earth creationist like the bloody daft buggers in that vid, no. |
Yeah I have no problem with theistic evolutionists. What's 6 billion years to god? I find the creationist "harry potter" god actually insulting to the idea of a complex and all powerful god. That he had to wave things into existence like Harry Potter. Most people believe, say, their child is a gift from god. But think about the billion random events that took place to create that child. The parents had to meet. The parents had to meet at the right time. Their parents had to meet. Their parents had to meet. And so on. There's a thousand things a minute that could have kept any of them from ever meeting. And yet out of that vast cloud of probability, you get your little gift from god.
Ain't that the same as evolution? |
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