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[Milwaukiedave]

Clinton Campaign Lies About Obama Donations
http://weneedobama.blogspot.com/2008/03/clinton-campaign-lies-about-obama.html

In response to Senator Obama's excellent speech today on the economy and the need for a new framework for governmental regulation of the financial markets, the Clinton's campaign has issued a statement from its policy director, Neera Tanden. She says, in part, that:

Senator Obama announced a series of broad, vague principles, while offering no new concrete solutions to provide Americans with greater confidence in the market or keep them in their homes. The contrast could not be clearer -- on Monday, Senator Clinton announced a detailed, specific plan to address the housing and credit crisis. On Tuesday, Senator McCain announced that he had no plan. And today, Senator Obama offered just words.

In addition, the Clinton team circulated a list of what they claim are the donations Obama has received from "the top 10 issuers of subprime loans."

According to the document, they claim "Obama has taken more money from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans than BOTH Senator Clinton and Senator McCain."

To this claim, I have two points, the first is stylistic and the second is substantive (and where her big lie comes in).

1. Claiming that a candidate has "taken... money from" a certain entity is false and misleading.

Several times during this campaign, you have heard certain candidates claiming that another candidate takes in certain donations from a particularly disliked industry (e.g. John Edwards claimed that Clinton and Obama "accept[ed] money from drug companies").

The problem with the line of argument is that when a candidate makes this claim, they are relying on reports submitted to the Federal Election Commission by their opponents, which contain a variety of details on each of their donors. Federal law requires that these donor reports contain the name of each donor's employer.

As a result, when a candidate makes a claim that their opponent "accept[s] money from" a certain company they are simply saying that certain employees of that company made a donation to their opponent. In other words, it could be a VP of that company, or a Secretary, or a Janitor.

With this laid out there, I'm sure you see where I am going with this.

When John Edwards says that Obama has "accept[ed] money from drug companies" or Hillary Clinton says that "has taken more money from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans", they are purposefully using this statement to implant an insidious implication in the listener that somehow the company or industry in question is somehow undertaking a company-wide effort to bankroll Obama.

However, if you stop and think about it, this is ludicrous. Especially when you consider that corporations are prohibited by federal law from making donations to a presidential candidate!

As a thought exercise to flesh this out in your mind, go to a site like Open Secrets that lets you search the donor records for the presidential candidates. Then go ahead and search for donations by your employer or a well-known employer like Wal-Mart. If you do a Wal-Mart search, you'll see that a variety of people have donated to presidential campaigns, including a Dock Worker, a Buyer and a Computer Consultant.

Wrapping up this point, my main ultimate complaint is that when Hillary Clinton says that Obama "has taken more money from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans", she is basically laboring under the assumption that we are either idiots or ignorant of what she's really talking about. She is intentionally trying to plant a false and misleading insinuation that somehow the subprime lenders are in the tank and making nefarious plans to get him elected. This is categorically untrue.


2. The Clinton campaign is lying about how much money she and Barack Obama have received from the so-called "top 10 issuers of subprime loans".

I have put together a spreadsheet that sets out the money that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have received from what she describes as "the top 10 issuers of subprime loans". The Clinton campaign cites as its source for its numbers the site CQ.com, to which I don't have access. As a result, I compiled my donation numbers using Open Secrets, the site I mentioned above that provides access to the donation numbers from the FEC reports. In fairness to the potential disparity, I included two columns in my spreadsheet -- one with the total donations for Barack Obama from Open Secrets and one with the numbers that the Clinton memo claims.

As my spreadsheet shows, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has received a variety of donations from the companies her campaign identified.

However, according to the Open Secrets data (which is current up to March 20, 2008), Hillary Clinton received $1,332,720 from employees of these companies whereas Barack Obama received only $1,174,212 -- which means that Clinton received $158,508 more than Obama! Not only that, if we were to use the numbers that the Clinton memo claims, she received even more: $199,716.

Although not surprising, this is truly astounding. The Clinton campaign is basically using the same tactics and assumptions we have grown so disgusted with over the last 8 years with George W. Bush:

(1) Saying something makes it true
and
(2) Americans are idiots and will lap up whatever crap we feed them.

Please, don't let her get away with it. I cannot stand to find myself again in an America where lying, obfuscation, misdirection, and mendacity are the key traits we find in our President. Please forward this on to everyone you know!

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There are links to this and the spreadsheet on their webpage, but they wouldn't copy/past here. I've often seen this lie made by some non-Clinton supporters on this board, but it's a good reminder for everyone.

[stillnotking]

It's the Big Lie. The Clintons realized a long time ago that candidates are always allowed to make claims that are objectively false, as long as they don't contradict a prior claim from the same candidate. In other words, the media don't care if you lie, they just demand that you be a consistent liar. The Clintons are happy to oblige them.

Too bad Hillary forgot this lesson when it came to Bosnia.

[bacasper]

[Milwaukiedave]

[bacasper]

[Milwaukiedave]

My only [i]obsession[/b] is with calling people out like you and IGTG that try to use lies to morph Obama's name into something it isn't. If you guys have a problem with him, hey that's fine. At least call him by the proper name.

[bacasper]

I've posted links for everything I've said. Don't call me a liar because your interpretation differs.

Learn to be civil. Can you not withstand the urge to name call and just present your differences? It's not that hard.

[Milwaukiedave]

Referring to Obama as Hussein is perpetrating a lie. You are merely repeating well known talking point to scare people. Do I have to draw you a picture?

[bacasper]

[Milwaukiedave]

Do we really go around calling people by their middle name unless it is to imply he is Muslim? Geez..get a grip.

[bacasper]

I go by my middle name. A lot of people do.

Are you really going to try to tell me I can't call him Hussein even though that is his real name??? Did I just step through the looking glass?

What about Gaylord? That's not his real name. Can I call him that?

[Captain Corea]

[Milwaukiedave]

The problem is ultimately showing respect. It's obvious some don't know what that means.

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