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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Question for the Canadians Reply with quote

I saw Michael Moore's movie Sicko yesterday. I enjoyed it a lot. But I have a question about health care in Canada. Republicans in America always say, "Yeah, they have free health care, but in Canada, you have to wait for months just to see a doctor." Is this true? In the movie, Moore went to a doctor's waiting room, and the Canadians said that they never had to wait long. But my last coworker said that his dad had to wait at least a month to get his hernia looked at. So what's the story?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There can be a very long wait for specialists, if the condition isn't life or death, but you can often see a GP ( maybe not your own) on the day you phone for an appointment
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention you might have to travel 200 KM to access said specialist. My hometown of Windsor (200,000 people, big auto industry), if you have cancer you pretty much have to go to London to see a specialist. That's about a 2 hour drive.

Canada, the GP is easy to see and free. Lots of basic health care is easy to access for everyone. But if you have a problem, well, then you wish you were in the USA with gold plated insurance.
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Temporary



Joined: 13 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had a problem. I had surgeries in Canada. No probs. I've seen a specialist as well with in a week. I had a bum knee.

Its not as bad as the repubs make it.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are areas where you can not get a GP. I had a horrible one but I know people in and around Ottawa who could not get a GP to see them and had to go to a clinic.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temporary wrote:
I never had a problem. I had surgeries in Canada. No probs. I've seen a specialist as well with in a week. I had a bum knee.

Its not as bad as the repubs make it.


It's going to really vary according to your area and which specialist you need to see. Most of my cousins live in a small town about 2 hours outside my city, and though there's a hospital in their town, they have to drive two hours for relatively straightforward things like broken bones and babies. I guess it's too much to expect a town of 10,000 to support such facilities these days.
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SarcasmKills



Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Not to mention you might have to travel 200 KM to access said specialist. My hometown of Windsor (200,000 people, big auto industry), if you have cancer you pretty much have to go to London to see a specialist. That's about a 2 hour drive.


No you don't... Windsor's cancer centre has some of the best specialists in the country now (probably because Windsor's environment causes so many cancers)
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's getting kind of bad in Alberta, where the Conservatives slashed medicare in an attempt to say "Look, it's not working! Let's privatise!"

When I was young, all your medical care was available under one roof. Now, you have to drive somewhere else to get medical tests, which means one appointment (for something bigger than a cold of course) must be divided into three visits.

There's also a shortage of doctors and nurses.
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ironwolves



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: South Carolina USA

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also how high are your taxes there? That is what going to bother the American citizen. They want free health care but they dont want higher taxes for it.
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Temporary



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ironwolves wrote:
Also how high are your taxes there? That is what going to bother the American citizen. They want free health care but they dont want higher taxes for it.


American taxes aren't that much less. Sure you pay less of in one chunk on your paycheck but you get taxed bit by bit. I had a friend working in Tenesse and he estimated that Fed + State + Local + Misc Taxes (Tolls and such) + Health Insurance = was greater then Canada.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also we get all sorts of rebate cheques in the mail. I remember a few years ago everyone in Alberta got something like $400 refunded for some reason (to encourage you to re-elect the PCs). There are also GST rebate cheques quite often.
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funkywinkerbeans



Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned, there are some waits for specialists if not life threatening. A substantial amount of taxes supports the medicare system. Demomogarhic changes in the future will put the system under greater strain.

Personally, I feel it's a much better system than the USA unless you're wealthy. Then if you're wealthy in Canada, there's nothing stopping you from going to the USA or elsewhere to attain medical treatment. At least everyone is covered by medical.

It's a very distinct difference between the US and Canada. In Canada, Tommy Douglas,"father of medicare" was voted the greatest Canadian. It would be interesting to see who Americans would vote as greatest American.


As for people mentioning no specialists in small towns, what do they expect? There are a lot of services not available in small towns as there isn't a population base to support them.
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know about Canada, but Massachusetts health is freakin' great! We have American quality care, and everyone is covered.

If you don't have a job to pay for your health insurance, just register with the state, and you can actually get better care than the coverage alot of company plans offer!

I did! Very Happy

Health care, full gay marriage, great education, (relatively) low crime, maple syrup, hockey, and even a few moose! Bring it on Canadians! Wink
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I like Korea's medical system a lot, cheap as all hell, low taxes, pretty much zero waiting to see specialists, short visits without a lot of time wasted and I've always gotten good service.

Only problem is dental, which doesn't seem to be covered...
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea's system wouldn't be bad if the doctors were better.
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