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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Beijing Orchestrating Tibet Riots? |
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'Beijing Orchestrating Tibet Riots'
Canada Free Press
Friday, March 21, 2008 10:20
Brit spies confirm Dalai Lama's report of staged violence
By Gordon Thomas
London, March 20 - Britain�s GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People�s Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.
GCHQ analysts believe the decision was deliberately calculated by the Beijing leadership to provide an excuse to stamp out the simmering unrest in the region, which is already attracting unwelcome world attention in the run-up to the Olympic Games this summer.
For weeks there has been growing resentment in Lhasa, Tibet�s capital, against minor actions taken by the Chinese authorities.
Increasingly, monks have led acts of civil disobedience, demanding the right to perform traditional incense burning rituals. With their demands go cries for the return of the Dalai Lama, the 14th to hold the high spiritual office.
Committed to teaching the tenets of his moral authority�peace and compassion�the Dalai Lama was 14 when the PLA invaded Tibet in 1950 and he was forced to flee to India from where he has run a relentless campaign against the harshness of Chinese rule.
He received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989, the year of the Tiananmen Square massacre.
But critics have objected to his attraction to film stars. Newspaper magnate Rupert Murdoch has called him: �A very political monk in Gucci shoes.�
Discovering that his supporters inside Tibet and China would become even more active in the months approaching the Olympic Games this summer,
British intelligence officers in Beijing learned the ruling regime would seek an excuse to move and crush the present unrest.
That fear was publicly expressed by the Dalai Lama. GCHQ�s satellites, geo-positioned in space, were tasked to closely monitor the situation.
The doughnut-shaped complex, near Cheltenham racecourse, is set in the pleasant Cotswolds in the west of England. Seven thousand employees include the best electronic experts and analysts in the world. Between them they speak more than 150 languages. At their disposal are 10,000 computers, many of which have been specially built for their work.
The images they downloaded from the satellites provided confirmation the Chinese used agent provocateurs to start riots, which gave the PLA the excuse to move on Lhasa to kill and wound over the past week
What the Beijing regime had not expected was how the riots would spread, not only across Tibet, but also to Sichuan, Quighai and Gansu provinces, turning a large area of western China into a battle zone.
The Dalai Lama has called it �cultural genocide� and has offered to resign as head of the protests against Chinese rule in order to bring peace. The current unrest began on March 10, marking the anniversary of the 1959 Uprising against Chinese rule.
However, his followers are not listening to his �message of compassion.� Many of them are young, unemployed and dispossessed and reject his philosophy of non-violence, believing the only hope for change is the radical action they are now carrying out.
For Beijing, the urgent need to find a solution to the uprising is one of growing embarrassment.
In two weeks time, the national celebrations for the Olympic Games start with the traditional torch relay. The torch bearers are scheduled to pass through Tibet. But the torch could find itself being carried by runners past burning buildings and temples
A sign of this urgency is that the Chinese prime minister has now said he is prepared to hold talks with the Dalai Lama. Just before this announcement, Britain�s Prime Minister Gordon Brown declared he would meet the Dalai Lama, who is to visit London next month. This is the first time either leader has proposed to meet the Dalai Lama.
Gordon Thomas is the author of the newly published Secrets & Lies: A History of CIA Mind Control and Germ Warfare
(Octavo Editions, USA) and the forthcoming Inside British Intelligence (JR Books, UK).
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http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=19922&article='Beijing+orchestrating+Tibet+riots'&t=1&c=1 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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This sounds like nonsense to me. Why would the Chinese wait till 4 months before the Olympics to do this? They are hugely embarrassed by the violence and may ban live Olympic broadcasts from Tianamen Square.
China might bar Tiananmen broadcasts
BEIJING - China might bar live television broadcasts from Tiananmen Square during the Beijing Olympics, apparently unnerved by the recent outburst of unrest among Tibetans and fearful of protests in the heart of the Chinese capital.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080321/ap_on_re_as/oly_china_broadcast_ban
(Note: I didn't feel the need to start Thread #10 on Tibet just to post this bit.)
I'm also skeptical of the use of satellites to identify fake agents. Yes, you can get lots of info from a satellite, but can it really tell which team a guy is playing for? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This sounds like nonsense to me. |
Friend, you didn't have to get any further in your reading than igotthisguitar's name for it to sound like nonsense. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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(I know, but I'm trying really hard to rein in my instincts and abide by the new guidelines.) |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
(I know, but I'm trying really hard to rein in my instincts and abide by the new guidelines.) |
I don't dismiss conspiracy theories all the time. Some, I believe are true, but this one takes the cake. The Chinese want this as quiet as possible. They could wait to stamp it out if they want to spark problems after the games are finished and all the Westerners have gone home. The Chinese were not expecting this to happen and were surprised it seems by their reaction, and they were embarassed by this. I believe that there will be dialogue with the Tibetans. The West cares about Tibet, they don't care about the Turkic Xinjiang people, and China would be slightly open for some autonomy for Tibet, but not Xinjiang since it is 1/6th of China with tons of resources, and 42% of the population there is now Han Chinese.
Maybe, China would give some room for the Tibetans. Anyway, so much of Chinese history comes from the Tibetans. One of their most famous emperors loved Tibetan Buddhism. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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logic dictates, that when a source, has been proven to be, no longer creditable not verifible, but one continues to attack the source, rather than roll around laughing, one is playing into the very intelligence bhind the information... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
Some, I believe are true, but this one takes the cake. |
Which ones? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This sounds like nonsense to me. Why would the Chinese wait till 4 months before the Olympics to do this? They are hugely embarrassed by the violence and may ban live Olympic broadcasts from Tianamen Square.
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I'm also skeptical of the use of satellites to identify fake agents. Yes, you can get lots of info from a satellite, but can it really tell which team a guy is playing for? |
While the last is a good point, I am leaning towards this operation actually being a false flag since the Dalai Lama made the charge, and British Intelligence is confirming it.
I hope the charge is true and it is backfiring, and that China gets its comeuppance on this issue. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
(I know, but I'm trying really hard to rein in my instincts and abide by the new guidelines.) |
It would be nice if everyone did. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't dismiss conspiracy theories all the time.
Some, I believe are true ... but this one takes the cake.
The Chinese want this as quiet as possible. |
What it appears they "want" more than anything is that the outside world believe monks loyal to the Dalai "clique" are to blame.
It is very simple: the Tibetans were engaging in peaceful protests. The authorities sought to discredit the peaceful protests by causing the protests to become violent; thus giving superficial "justification" for their excessive use of force at the same time.
Beijing is fully aware that if the Tibetans engage in long term Satyagraha, truth struggle ( In Tibetan, the term would be bden 'dzin "Holding up the Truth" ) that in the long run, they, like the British in India, will be forced to withdraw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha
The possibility that they planted provocateurs to help cause unrest, so that a violent "crack-down" cold then be justified is hardly beyond the scope of Beijing's psychopathy.
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They could wait to stamp it out if they want to spark problems after the games are finished and all the Westerners have gone home. The Chinese were not expecting this to happen and were surprised it seems by their reaction, and they were embarassed by this. |
... the Communist Party doesn't allow any protest against itself, but if a protest is peaceful, CCP has no excuse to suppress it, then it may last too long and may affect the Olympic games, so ...... just like what had happened in Jun/4/1989�s Tian-an-men event ......
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I believe that there will be dialogue with the Tibetans. |
We'll see.
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The West cares about Tibet, they don't care about the Turkic Xinjiang people, and China would be slightly open for some autonomy for Tibet, but not Xinjiang since it is 1/6th of China with tons of resources, and 42% of the population there is ... now ... Han Chinese. |
Population displacement has been a major on-going issue.
In 2007 alone, 10% ( approx. 250,000 ) of Tibet's rural ethnic population was "RE-SETTLED" into the larger centers.
You're a good HAN communist & you want 2 babies? Maybe 3? No problem. Move to Tibet!
The THREE GORGES dam "mega" - project sent millions of Han flooding onto the Tibetan Plateau, thus displacing indigenous residents even further
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Anyway, so much of Chinese history comes from the Tibetans. One of their most famous emperors loved Tibetan Buddhism. |
Which one was this?
CentralCali wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This sounds like nonsense to me. |
Friend, you didn't have to get any further in your reading than igotthisguitar's name for it to "sound like" ... nonsense. |
Ciali et al ...
Your ( feigned? ) ignorance is hardly worth responding to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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IGTG: Honest people don't pull the stunt you just did above with your supposed quoting of my post. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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The possibility that they planted provocateurs to help cause unrest, so that a violent "crack-down" cold then be justified is hardly beyond the scope of Beijing's psychopathy. |
Something can be plausible, but still not be true. In this particular situation, it is even more plausible that some Tibetans are infuriated and have chosen to act violently. Why 'even more'? Because the Chinese government is devious enough to have timed this better if it were under their control. They would have done it 4 years, not 4 months, ahead of the Olympics. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
Adventurer wrote: |
Some, I believe are true, but this one takes the cake. |
Which ones? |
What conspiracy theories do I believe? I believe terrorists armed by the US Government in Central America killed lots of civilians, that drugs were sold by allies of the US in the US and outside the US to get money for arms in the fight for communism. However, I don't believe the Chinese Government orchestrated riots which would embarass them just before the Olympics. I believe the British Government wanted the Lusitania to sink in World War I, because they were desperate for America to get involved in the war. By the way, some conspiracy stories are true, but one should not focus on them. If one focuses on conspiracy theories, it is often a person who is lending him or herself to paranoid thoughts. I have heard stories of some token ESL teachers who think the CIA is following them or something. Koreans would just think they are weird Americans. I used to have more faith in the government, but the more I read and read about them and especially after this last war, I don't think the government has much credibility. It doesn't mean, though, that conspiracy theorists are credible.
As far as China, they want the money and business from the outside and the riots are not good for business, but I don't believe crazy ideas that the US Government created AIDs in a laboratory to kill black people like Reverend Wright supposedly believes. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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ain't no way china is leaving tibet. ain't gonna happen ever. kinda like the US giving back hawaii. from a defense standpoint it is just to dangerous. sorry, about stealing your country and ruining your culture but the milk is all over the floor now.
where you wanna go from here? |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
IGTG:
Honest people don't pull the stunt you just did above with your ... supposed "quoting" of my post. |
Really?
Explain. |
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