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regicide
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 Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Anniversary of Reagan shooting |
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One of the most overlooked attempted political assassinations is the Reagan shooting on March 30th in 1981.
Here follows excerpts from an interview with John Judge conducted by Dave Ratcliffe that is hosted in full here,
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/112600.html
Here are several videos of the event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w6KPkv0vT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kPUjuYKQeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYlYSc9hAUA
In the period when Reagan came in, I believe Bush took over. He was vice president and rose to power, I believe, on March 31 1981 when Reagan was nearly assassinated. The person placed as the patsy, not the person that actually shot Reagan but the person placed as the patsy in the case, was John Hinkley. His family ties were to oil. Through that oil connection, Neil Bush � George Herbert Walker Bush�s son, who worked in oil � knew Scott Hinkley who also worked in oil. Neil had been involved with Scott in many oil operations � both working for oil speculation and oil companies.
The two families lived close to each other. They knew each other socially and financially. When the Hinkley oil company started to fail in the sixties, Bush�s Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinkley�s company. It went from being Vanderbilt Oil to Vanderbilt Energy or Vanderbilt Resources in the 60s after Bush intervened. The Hinkleys had been running an operation with six dead wells but then they were making several million dollars a year after the Bush bailout. I always thought this was some sort of a money-pass front where they were laundering money through on this phony oil operation but actually operating some type of an intelligence pay-off.
The father in that family, John W. Hinkley Sr., was also the president of the board for World Vision. World Vision is a far-right evangelical missionary operation that does missionary and �good work� operations in countries where there is a political purpose for it to be there. From it�s inception, it was rabidly anti-Communist and it focused on refugee populations of people running from countries that had been taken over by Communism. This was from the fifties on.
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| They knew each other socially and financially. |
The important question is: Did they know each other in the Biblical sense?
Let's see...JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcom X, now Reagan.
You've left out Ford. He was shot at twice, but was implicated in JFK's assassination. Not clear how that works. Nixon was in on that, too. Was he also in on the attempt on Reagan, or was he retired from active conspiring by then?
And what about those two Puerto Ricans who shot at Truman. How does this fit in the over-all scheme? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Anniversary of Reagan shooting |
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| regicide wrote: |
One of the most overlooked attempted political assassinations is the Reagan shooting on March 30th in 1981.
Here follows excerpts from an interview with John Judge conducted by Dave Ratcliffe that is hosted in full here,
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/112600.html
Here are several videos of the event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w6KPkv0vT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kPUjuYKQeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYlYSc9hAUA
In the period when Reagan came in, I believe Bush took over. He was vice president and rose to power, I believe, on March 31 1981 when Reagan was nearly assassinated. The person placed as the patsy, not the person that actually shot Reagan but the person placed as the patsy in the case, was John Hinkley. His family ties were to oil. Through that oil connection, Neil Bush � George Herbert Walker Bush�s son, who worked in oil � knew Scott Hinkley who also worked in oil. Neil had been involved with Scott in many oil operations � both working for oil speculation and oil companies.
The two families lived close to each other. They knew each other socially and financially. When the Hinkley oil company started to fail in the sixties, Bush�s Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinkley�s company. It went from being Vanderbilt Oil to Vanderbilt Energy or Vanderbilt Resources in the 60s after Bush intervened. The Hinkleys had been running an operation with six dead wells but then they were making several million dollars a year after the Bush bailout. I always thought this was some sort of a money-pass front where they were laundering money through on this phony oil operation but actually operating some type of an intelligence pay-off.
The father in that family, John W. Hinkley Sr., was also the president of the board for World Vision. World Vision is a far-right evangelical missionary operation that does missionary and �good work� operations in countries where there is a political purpose for it to be there. From it�s inception, it was rabidly anti-Communist and it focused on refugee populations of people running from countries that had been taken over by Communism. This was from the fifties on.
http://www.politicalassassinations.com/
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Well, there are some interesting comments here, but some questions come to mind:
1. Reagan recovered from the assassination attempt, and in fact his popularity rose as a result. So how did the Bush family, long-term, benefit from Hinkley's assassination attempt?
2. Hinkley went to jail for the rest of his life (if memory serves correct). If he was the "patsy" for a politicial assassination attempt, how did he benefit from the attempt? How did the Hinkley family or Hinkley family business benefit?
According to Wikipedia, there were some family connections between Bush and Hinckley:
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According to the March 31, 1981, edition of the Houston Post, and reported by AP, UPI, NBC News and Newsweek, Hinckley is the son of one of George H.W. Bush's political and financial supporters in his 1980 presidential primary campaign against Ronald Reagan; John Hinckley Jr.'s older brother, Scott Hinckley, and Vice President Bush's son Neil Bush had a dinner appointment scheduled for the next day.[4]
Associated Press published the following short note on March 31, 1981:
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice-President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign ... Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr. was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the Vice-President's sons ... The Houston Post said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice-president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp, for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co of Indiana. In 1978, Neil Bush served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the Vice-President's eldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock, Texas, throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980. |
However, Mr. Judge seems to be falling into the logical fallacy of confusing correlation with causation:
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Confusing association with causation: This is similar to the post-hoc fallacy in that it assumes cause and effect for two variables simply because they are correlated, although the relationship here is not strictly that of one variable following the other in time.
This fallacy is often used to give a statistical correlation a causal interpretation. For example, during the 1990's both religious attendance and illegal drug use have been on the rise. It would be a fallacy to conclude that therefore, religious attendance causes illegal drug use. It is also possible that drug use leads to an increase in religious attendance, or that both drug use and religious attendance are increased by a third variable, such as an increase in societal unrest. It is also possible that both variables are independent of one another, and it is mere coincidence that they are both increasing at the same time.
A corollary to this is the invocation of this logical fallacy to argue that an association does not represent causation, rather it is more accurate to say that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but it can. Also, multiple independent correlations can point reliably to a causation, and is a reasonable line of argument. |
Wikipedia also provides the following explanation for Hinckley's actions:
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After repeated viewings of the 1976 movie Taxi Driver, in which a disturbed protagonist, Travis Bickle, played by Robert DeNiro, plots to assassinate a presidential candidate, Hinckley developed an obsession with actress Jodie Foster, who had played a child prostitute in the film. The Bickle character was in turn based on the diaries of Arthur Bremer, the attempted assassin of George Wallace. When Foster entered Yale University, Hinckley moved to New Haven, Connecticut, for a short time to be nearer to her, slipping poems and messages under her door and repeatedly contacting her by telephone.
Failing to develop any meaningful contact with Foster, Hinckley developed such plots as hijacking an airplane and committing suicide in front of her to gain her attention. Eventually he settled on a scheme to win her over by assassinating the president, with the theory that as a historical figure, he would be her equal.
To this end, he trailed President Jimmy Carter from state to state, but was arrested in Nashville, Tennessee on a firearms charge. Penniless, he returned home once again, and despite psychiatric treatment for depression, his mental health did not improve. In 1981, he began to target the newly elected president, Ronald Reagan. It was also at this time that he started collecting information on Lee Harvey Oswald, John F. Kennedy's assassin, whom he saw as a role model.
Just prior to Hinckley's failed attempt on Reagan's life, he wrote to Foster:
Over the past seven months I've left you dozens of poems, letters and love messages in the faint hope that you could develop an interest in me. Although we talked on the phone a couple of times I never had the nerve to simply approach you and introduce myself. [...] the reason I'm going ahead with this attempt now is because I cannot wait any longer to impress you. |
The fact that Hinckley trailed President Carter for a period of time - and I presume there is surveillance evidence for this - seems to contradict Judge's hypothesis that Hinckley was the "patsy" for a Bush family initiated assassination attempt. There is no way that the Bush family would profit directly from an assassination of President Carter. Instead, Hinckley's trailing of Carter is much more consistent with the hypothesis that Hinckley was obsessed with Jodie Foster and was attempting to "impress" her. And, we have Hinckley's own words as to his reasons for the assassination attempt. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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BUSH - HINCKLEY ...
yup.
Connect the dots. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
BUSH - HINCKLEY ...
yup.
Connect the dots. |
Tried. Can't be done. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Reagan recovered from the assassination attempt, and in fact his popularity rose as a result.
So how did the Bush family, long-term, benefit from Hinkley's assassination attempt? |
Duh. He wasn't supposed to have lived.
Damn! So close  |
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Manner of Speaking
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Reagan recovered from the assassination attempt, and in fact his popularity rose as a result.
So how did the Bush family, long-term, benefit from Hinkley's assassination attempt? |
Duh. He wasn't supposed to have lived.
Damn! So close |
Advocating terrorism? Woo-hoo.  |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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Reagan recovered from the assassination attempt, and in fact his popularity rose as a result.
So how did the Bush family, long-term, benefit from Hinkley's assassination attempt? |
Duh. He wasn't supposed to have lived.
Damn! So close |
Advocating terrorism? Woo-hoo. |
Huh? |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Inexcusable. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Inexcusable. |
That old man Bush tried to have Reagan killed?
Absolutely inexcusable!!
i couldn't agree more.
Well, it's good to know we at least see eye to eye on a few things ... MOS. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Duh. He wasn't supposed to have lived.
Damn! So close |
Advocating assassination of a US President.
Inexcusable. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Duh. He wasn't supposed to have lived.
Damn! So close |
Advocating assassination of a US President.
Inexcusable. |
Bush 41 thinking "Damn ... so close!"
*shrugs*
Most Washington insiders know he pretty much ran the White House the next 8 years anyhow. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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The Reagan assassination attempt really was just a "lone nut" attempt. There was no conspiracy. Just Hinkley. It was caught on tape. We have written evidence from Hinkley before and after, and his own admission.
His family connections probably helped Hinkley get a nice spot in a mental institution instead of a jail cell, however. But, no conspiracy on this one - no missing evidence, no complications, no conflicting eyewitness accounts - just one lone nut who loved Jodie Foster.
If nothing else, you should know it's a real "lone, looney gunman" because it was an easy, exposed, slow moving target. A pro would've made the hit. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| If nothing else, you should know it's a real "lone, looney gunman" because it was an easy, exposed, slow moving target. A pro would've made the hit. |
That sounds a bit funny, but it's a good point.  |
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