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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: Persecuting Gays Around the Globe Thread |
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Homophobia is not cool. Not in any country. Bashing gays, even if they are muslim gays and you are a muslim basher, is just not cool. Even if you speak English with a foreign accent, there is no excuse for bashing gays. It should not be tolerated, anywhere. Not by white homophobes, and not by swarthy looking homophobes dressed in white robes or with brown eyes or dark curly hair.
This is my position. What's your opinion, dear posters? |
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daskalos
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Well, I guess this means I can't beat my swarthy husband, doesn't it?
God, you take all the fun out of everything! |
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Are you waiting for someone to pop up and say that bashing gays is cool? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Are you waiting for someone to pop up and say that bashing gays is cool? |
Ah now, you are subtly making my point...albeit indirectly... |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| daskalos wrote: |
Well, I guess this means I can't beat my swarthy husband, doesn't it?
God, you take all the fun out of everything! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Daskalos, don't plan on having your honeymoon in Iran.  Not unless you swing both ways...
Joo, fortunately I can not see the pictures - it takes time for them to download. But perhaps you ought to put a warning and some space so that others can choose whether or not to look. Myself, I don't want to see it. |
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daskalos
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Daskalos, don't plan on having your honeymoon in Iran. |
Well, it's a bit late for a honeymoon, but for our next anniversary (11th), I was thinking of a trip to Amsterdam. Even before seeing those horrifying photos, Iran just never suggested itself to me as a place to celebrate my marriage.
After seeing those photos, I'm even less inclined to think in terms of, after all, all cultures being equal, blah blah blah. I'm sure not every Iranian approved of those murders, but not enough of them are opposed to the idea to prevent it.
You know, like Europe, 500 years ago. Which lends credence to the idea that major struggle going on in the world today isn't West v. Islam but Modernism v. Medievalism. |
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daskalos
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Joo, fortunately I can not see the pictures - it takes time for them to download. But perhaps you ought to put a warning and some space so that others can choose whether or not to look. Myself, I don't want to see it. |
I don't usually have to look a train wrecks. But in this case, I need to see it, so that I can know and remember, and speak for them some day, when enough people will listen to effect some change. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Daskalos, don't plan on having your honeymoon in Iran. |
Well, it's a bit late for a honeymoon, but for our next anniversary (11th), I was thinking of a trip to Amsterdam. Even before seeing those horrifying photos, Iran just never suggested itself to me as a place to celebrate my marriage.
After seeing those photos, I'm even less inclined to think in terms of, after all, all cultures being equal, blah blah blah. I'm sure not every Iranian approved of those murders, but not enough of them are opposed to the idea to prevent it.
You know, like Europe, 500 years ago. Which lends credence to the idea that major struggle going on in the world today isn't West v. Islam but Modernism v. Medievalism. |
I don't want to see the photos, and scrolled down fast to read this post. I'm not sure Joo should have done that without warning people. I once saw footage of women being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, and that left me sickened for days and days.
Humans have done these kinds of things to each other ever since we have been around, and it's only in the West, in very recent times, that we have begun to turn from it. It's only been a blink of an eye in terms of human history that we have not been doing this crap (at least in the West). It would be nice if what we have acheived in the west is a taste of what is to come in the rest of the world. But it's not coming any time soon... |
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daskalos
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| daskalos wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Daskalos, don't plan on having your honeymoon in Iran. |
Well, it's a bit late for a honeymoon, but for our next anniversary (11th), I was thinking of a trip to Amsterdam. Even before seeing those horrifying photos, Iran just never suggested itself to me as a place to celebrate my marriage.
After seeing those photos, I'm even less inclined to think in terms of, after all, all cultures being equal, blah blah blah. I'm sure not every Iranian approved of those murders, but not enough of them are opposed to the idea to prevent it.
You know, like Europe, 500 years ago. Which lends credence to the idea that major struggle going on in the world today isn't West v. Islam but Modernism v. Medievalism. |
I don't want to see the photos, and scrolled down fast to read this post. I'm not sure Joo should have done that without warning people. I once saw footage of women being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, and that left me sickened for days and days.
Humans have done these kinds of things to each other ever since we have been around, and it's only in the West, in very recent times, that we have begun to turn from it. It's only been a blink of an eye in terms of human history that we have not been doing this crap (at least in the West). It would be nice if what we have acheived in the west is a taste of what is to come in the rest of the world. But it's not coming any time soon... |
No, you're right. It's not coming any time soon. The only reason I look at hangings of gays in barbaric countries is that it so personally involves me, and I may need someday to bear witness to it. And it's not that I can't look away, it's that I make myself look, despite not wishing to see it. I understand completely someone else's need not to see it.
Shall we institute a new rule on the board? Give prior warning of vile images, so that those who wish to take them as given can? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| daskalos wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| daskalos wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Daskalos, don't plan on having your honeymoon in Iran. |
Well, it's a bit late for a honeymoon, but for our next anniversary (11th), I was thinking of a trip to Amsterdam. Even before seeing those horrifying photos, Iran just never suggested itself to me as a place to celebrate my marriage.
After seeing those photos, I'm even less inclined to think in terms of, after all, all cultures being equal, blah blah blah. I'm sure not every Iranian approved of those murders, but not enough of them are opposed to the idea to prevent it.
You know, like Europe, 500 years ago. Which lends credence to the idea that major struggle going on in the world today isn't West v. Islam but Modernism v. Medievalism. |
I don't want to see the photos, and scrolled down fast to read this post. I'm not sure Joo should have done that without warning people. I once saw footage of women being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, and that left me sickened for days and days.
Humans have done these kinds of things to each other ever since we have been around, and it's only in the West, in very recent times, that we have begun to turn from it. It's only been a blink of an eye in terms of human history that we have not been doing this crap (at least in the West). It would be nice if what we have acheived in the west is a taste of what is to come in the rest of the world. But it's not coming any time soon... |
No, you're right. It's not coming any time soon. The only reason I look at hangings of gays in barbaric countries is that it so personally involves me, and I may need someday to bear witness to it. And it's not that I can't look away, it's that I make myself look, despite not wishing to see it. I understand completely someone else's need not to see it.
Shall we institute a new rule on the board? Give prior warning of vile images, so that those who wish to take them as given can? |
I think it's right, that we make ourselves look sometimes. For example, people should have a good look at footage of the nazi holocaust, so they might think carefully before they embark down the road of xenophobia. And I think it is right that you look to bear witness. Myself, right now, I have 2 very beautiful little boys, who may or may not turn out gay, and I don't want to think about the poor poor mothers of those boys I momentarily glimpsed in the photos. Not for now. |
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daskalos
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| BB -- Understood. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
| Are you waiting for someone to pop up and say that bashing gays is cool? |
Ah now, you are subtly making my point...albeit indirectly... |
goy, grey or geh, Shariah Law is an abomination. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for reminding us of the Middle East's brutal homophobia, Joo. Next to Iran and the others, I would have to say Latin America and the Caribbean present the worst homophobia I have seen.
Chileans call each other maric�n at least as often as they chide each other with no seas indio, for example. Indeed, Chilean law allows the "homosexuality" charge, even as an unproven but plausible allegation, to deprive one or another parent of custody and even visitation rights. That is, Chilean law bans homosexuals from parenthood. And I understand it is even worse in Castro's Cuba.
Anyone have any information on how Hugo Chavez, the paragon peoples' leader and lover of free speech, treats Venezuelan homosexuals? |
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