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Canucksaram
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 Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Taekwondo vs. Muy Thai |
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For anyone pondering the question of whether or not to study taekwondo, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2_bKP2GMTU&feature=related
Watch how many times the one in the full outfit makes a motion to describe an "illegal" or otherwise "problem" hit.
Watch how the pro just dismisses his opponent at around 3:11 of the video.
Other vids are to be seen, such as Taekwondo vs. Karate, Taekwondo vs. Kickboxing, and Taekwondo vs. Brazilian Jujutsu.
Enjoy.
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JustJohn
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Ilsanman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Tae kwon do is the most useless of all martial arts. This is no secret. |
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JustJohn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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*sigh* I was hoping this wouldn't be necessary...
Link I posted is a TKD guy absolutely destroying a muay thai fighter. The TKD guy is simply better. In the first video it looked like both guys were decent but the muay thai guy did his homework and TKD guy did not so the muay thai guy's approach was good and the TKD guy's was poor.
Lesson 1:
It's much more about the fighter than it is the style.
Background info:
Modern TKD is sport first, fighting style second. Muay thai is just fighting. Also, TKD sparring rules are much more conservative. The result is that if you have a face off using muay thai rules the TKD guy will often get his butt kicked and if TKD rules the muay thai guy will often get disqualified. However, it's still about the individual.
Moral of the story:
If you want a sport TKD is great. If you want to fight muay thai is probably better, but both can be effective.
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| Tae kwon do is the most useless of all martial arts. This is no secret. |
I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about. And assuming you mean for fighting, have you ever heard of tai chi? |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Taekwondo vs. Muy Thai |
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| Canucksaram wrote: |
For anyone pondering the question of whether or not to study taekwondo, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2_bKP2GMTU&feature=related
Watch how many times the one in the full outfit makes a motion to describe an "illegal" or otherwise "problem" hit.
Watch how the pro just dismisses his opponent at around 3:11 of the video.
Other vids are to be seen, such as Taekwondo vs. Karate, Taekwondo vs. Kickboxing, and Taekwondo vs. Brazilian Jujutsu.
Enjoy.
-Canucksaram |
I've seen this useless vid before.. The Muay Thai fighter was barred from striking with his hands. The TKD guy got upset cause he hit him in the face.
The muay Thai guy would have destroyed the TKD moron if he was allowed to use full muay thai rules. Elbows, fists and knee strikes.
TKD is a useless combat sport. Cool for olympics or low impact, and point base for hiting target system.
Its cool for TV and wire foo and silly body part flailing. I sparred with TKD blackbelts that had at 5 years+ training. I have a yellow belt in Kyuk too Ki (Kick boxing/Muay thai) and Only about 1.5 years training and .5 years in Muay Thai. Lets just say that they usually ended up with a bloody nose. Sure they got couple good kicks in but so did I. It ended up very quickly over as soon as they got in my fist range. I suck at kicking mostly because I was born with a bad/slightly deformed right hip thus my kicking is not as good as most guys but its good enough to make you not walk for 3+ weeks. Then ofcourse there are my knees and my abnormal hip flexors which give me tremendous power in knee strikes.. I cracked a guys rib in two knee strikes in a match. Then there is my boxing which I am devistatingly good at. I love close up and personal. I realy want to get into elbow strikes, I have to fight at least 6 matches more. |
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Temporary
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| JustJohn wrote: |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=fL9ZXos8LfQ (TKD guy beats up Muay Thai guy)
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I;ve seen the whole fight that the features were cut out of it.. Its called G5.. Or Give me 5.
Its a silly fucked up rule system. Its
1. There is no knee strikes allowed when grapled.
2. No elbows
3. The TKD guy was flailing he spent more time on the mat then standing anytime the Kickboxer got close he just fell. The fight was stoped and restarted. There was a stopage every 3\5 fucking seconds.
4. The "Muay Thai" fighter is not a muay Thai Fighter.. SORRY. He is a kickboxer.. Different styles. I can tell easily.
5. The Kickboxer is an amature, he plainly sucked. No low kicks, No combinations no nothing.
I've seen Muay Thai fighters trained in Korea and LOTS of them are a joke. The masters are jokes, most masters haven't had any fights themselves. |
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FUBAR
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Pretty easy to just throw up any type of video up there. Muay Thai guy does well, but we really have no idea of the skill/experience level of the 2 fighters. TKD is also a sport, that focuses on scoring points to certain types of the fighters. The Muay thai guy just focused on kicking the legs from out the TKD fighter and attacking the lower legs.
Given the choice I would study Muay THai over TKD, but to be honest.... that video didn't prove anything to me. |
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JustJohn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Fubar's on the right track at least. Temporary is mostly right; I already made the point earlier that TKD rules are conservative because it's more sport oriented.
However, anyone that says TKD is completely wothless as a fighting style doesn't know crap. Sure the average TKD guy isn't going to be great at street fighting due to it's sport nature. But it all comes down to the individual. There are definitely TKD people out there who can throw down in a real fight. |
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ernie
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i'm no martial arts expert, but every time i see a taekwondo match one of the guys gets injured doing something stupid like twisting a knee or ankle or falling on his arse, i.e. not as a result of being struck... imagine what would happen to him in a real fight! |
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Temporary
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| To be honest with you most martial arts are unsuitable for street fighting. Maybe for the exception of boxing. Most martial arts trained people overthink their openents in a street fight. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Temporary wrote: |
| To be honest with you most martial arts are unsuitable for street fighting. Maybe for the exception of boxing. Most martial arts trained people overthink their openents in a street fight. |
I agree. Just be angrier than your opponent--you'll win. |
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xingyiman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I studied Tae kwon Do in my younger years and I trained in Muay Thai at a World Muay Thai Council gym in Bangkok Thailand for a year.
TKD's self defense techniques only work when the opponent is working with you.
I do disagree somewhat with the observation that most Martial arts aren't practical for combat.
Now if you say that most martial arts exported to the west have been dumbed down and are impractical for combat, and by the west I mean morphed into sports oriented, then I would have to agree.
I've studied on two continents and in 4 countries with various martial arts masters from TKD, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Muay Thai, Taekgyeon, Fisticuffs bare knuckle boxing, and Shaolin Kung Fu.
I was a street brawler in my youth and I pretty much have a good idea of what works and what generaly doesn't in a fight when I observe training and technique.
It's often up to the individual. Sure agression will lget you a ways in a fight and westerners seem to be good at exhibiting it, but eventually you'll run into that guy who just stands there unaffected and lays you flat on your a$$. Then it won't seem like such a viable tactic anymore. |
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hellofaniceguy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| When one gets into a fight...the rules are...no rules. Simple as that. Kick, bite, use a gun, knife, whatever....as long as you win. Why waste my time getting my butt whipped when a weapon will do the trick? |
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xingyiman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| When one gets into a fight...the rules are...no rules. Simple as that. Kick, bite, use a gun, knife, whatever....as long as you win. Why waste my time getting my butt whipped when a weapon will do the trick? |
Well, you have a point but considering that we are in Korea guns are out. Knives would be your next best bet but then again you have to know how to effectiely use one or you will wind up at the least getting cu yourself and at the worst having it used on you. Clubs and other things are generally too cumbersome to tote especially when you don't have thick clothes to conceal them under. |
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