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Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: No Free Rides If You Contract HIV In Korea!!! |
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Well, looks like it is official. The Korean government is going to let anyone and their brother come over here and teach English. Well, as long as they will work for 1.5 mill a month and live in the country. Good luck with that.
The part I liked though relates to instructors who are found to have HIV. In the article in the Korean Herald it says, �If an applicant is found with drug addiction or serious diseases such as AIDS, his or her scholarship will be canceled and no air ticket will be provided for returning home.�
Isn�t that sweet of the Korean government? Wonder if the government will take the responsibility for educating foreigners about the dangers of skirt chasing with their boss while in Korea?[/size]
The government is calling this the "TALK" program. I got a better name. How about the "WALK" program. Don't wear a condom and you may be walking back to your country.
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[size=7]Requirements for E-2 visa softened
Requirements have been eased for overseas college students who wish to teach English on Korean government scholarship to elementary school students in rural areas.
The Education Ministry had initially sought undergraduate native speakers of English including ethnic Koreans from abroad who have completed at least two years in university.
But now the doors are open to graduates, community college students and ethnic Korean freshmen and sophomores as well.
Designed to close the regional gap in English education, the "Teach and Learn in Korea" program offers overseas college students a chance to experience Korean culture while teaching on government scholarship.
"We eased the application requirements upon requests from gyopo (ethnic Koreans abroad) as juniors and seniors are more likely to focus on preparing for graduation and many gyopo graduates wish to visit their parents' home country before starting a permanent job," said Kim Chang-eun, an Education Ministry official in charge of the TaLK program run by the ministry.
"A wider group of people can apply but that doesn't mean the selection process will be less rigorous."
The scholarship program is titled "presidential" as participants are to receive a "government scholar" certificate from the education minister.
President Lee Myung-bak mentioned this program when he met with Korean residents during his visit to the United States in April.
The TaLK program offers round-trip airfare, accommodation, monthly allowance of about 1.5 million won ($1,500) and various opportunities to experience Korean culture.
Korean embassies and consulates in 20 cities across the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand are receiving applications until June 15, the ministry said.
Those who pass the document screening and interviews at the Korean embassies and consulates in their cities will be listed on http://talk.mest.go.kr on June 16 and July 17. Up to 500 selected students will come to Korea in early August to undergo a medical checkup at a designated hospital and orientation between August 4 and 29 to learn about Korea and acquire basic teaching skills.
If an applicant is found with drug addiction or serious diseases such as AIDS, his or her scholarship will be cancelled and no air ticket will be provided for returning home.
The selected candidates will be dispatched to elementary schools in rural areas to teach for six months or a year starting from Sept. 1, the ministry said.
They will teach English speaking, listening and writing skills three hours every day after school for five days a week. Some 1,500 elementary schools in Korea's rural areas currently do not have a native-speaking English teacher.
Each of them will be paired with a Korean college student to help them adjust when they are dispatched to the schools, the ministry said.
Preference will be given to candidates majoring in education, English or subjects related to Korea and those with excellent school records. Applicants who have been taught in English-language schools from junior high school (seventh grade) and have lived abroad for at least eight years are also preferred.
By Kim So-hyun
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agoodmouse

Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Location: Anyang
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: |
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This is actually a good program idea. |
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missionshk
Joined: 09 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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agoodmouse wrote: |
This is actually a good program idea. |
Are you an idiot?
my contract says nothing about aids.. they have no right to add insult to injury if some chance I contacted a disease from this place.
sometimes I think these boards are inundated with office of education tools |
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agoodmouse

Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Location: Anyang
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I agree with you about the AIDS remark. I should have pointed that out, as this message thread's title clearly explains; I meant the program is a good idea, not the AIDS statute. The program on the whole -- inviting overseas Koreans to Korea to teach and live here -- is a decent idea.
It's quite difficult for foreigners who are teachers to live in Korea with AIDS. Public schools test foreign teachers for it. Isn't the AIDS test part of the E2 immigration procedure, too? And for renewals? |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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agoodmouse wrote: |
It's quite difficult for foreigners who are teachers to live in Korea with AIDS. Public schools test foreign teachers for it. Isn't the AIDS test part of the E2 immigration procedure, too? And for renewals? |
But sadly not impossible for them to contract it after they get here:) |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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missionshk wrote: |
agoodmouse wrote: |
This is actually a good program idea. |
Are you an idiot?
my contract says nothing about aids.. they have no right to add insult to injury if some chance I contacted a disease from this place.
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The AIDS thing is a national policy towards all non-Koreans, not just this program. If you catch AIDS here or anywhere else, you're no longer welcome here unless you're Korean (.. and you won't exactly be made to feel welcome then either..)
Anyway, I think this program is a great idea. There'll be some problems with it, but on the whole I think it'll have a positive effect on the country. There are actually a lot of good memories in middle aged Koreans' minds from Peace Corps teachers back in the 60s and 70s .. maybe this will be similar for the country folk.
Anything which can introduce new and different perspectives here is sure to be good for the country in the long run. There will certainly be some problems, but any effort involving "up to 500" people will have problems. Anyone who seriously thinks their job is in threat because of this is probably misunderstanding this program. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Hyeon Een wrote: |
Anyway, I think this program is a great idea. There'll be some problems with it, but on the whole I think it'll have a positive effect on the country. Anyone who seriously thinks their job is in threat because of this is probably misunderstanding this program. |
Well, that's great you think it's a great idea and good for Korea. What kind of understanding do you think it takes to realize that they're bringing in less qualified, cheaper white faces with voices. An 'it's good for Korea so it must be all right' understanding? The E2 visa was made difficult to obtain with extra requirements which created a bottleneck. Because of a 'pedophilia panic'. Try lowering the requirements in a 'test case' and, if it succeeds, lower the requrements across the board to increase applicant flow and save $.
I teach in the country and it directly effects me, potentially. I don't want to be run out of the country because some other whitey will work for less. I understand the implications and the reasoning, thank you. I'm averse to city life.
If it's white and it breathes it's good for Korea. Two for one sale. Same disrespect that brought us the increased E2 visa requirements. I care more about having a good life as a foreign teacher here in Korea than I care about Korea having cheaper white talking faces. How unpatriotic but then it's not my country. Otherwise there wouldn't be these damned visa hoops, medical exams, 'are you a paedophile' consular interviews, you know the drill.
And yes, I know, 'if you don't like it why don't you go back to your home country?'. Like I haven't heard that one before.
H, I understand you're a FT who teaches at a University and so you have no stake in this topic, the TALK program and its implications. So I'm really just ranting to myself here and not addressing you. Bad subject, shits in my Corn Flakes. |
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Join Me

Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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captain kirk wrote: |
Hyeon Een wrote: |
Anyway, I think this program is a great idea. There'll be some problems with it, but on the whole I think it'll have a positive effect on the country. Anyone who seriously thinks their job is in threat because of this is probably misunderstanding this program. |
Well, that's great you think it's a great idea and good for Korea. What kind of understanding do you think it takes to realize that they're bringing in less qualified, cheaper white faces with voices. An 'it's good for Korea so it must be all right' understanding? The E2 visa was made difficult to obtain with extra requirements which created a bottleneck. Because of a 'pedophilia panic'. Try lowering the requirements in a 'test case' and, if it succeeds, lower the requrements across the board to increase applicant flow and save $.
I teach in the country and it directly effects me, potentially. I don't want to be run out of the country because some other whitey will work for less. I understand the implications and the reasoning, thank you. I'm averse to city life.
If it's white and it breathes it's good for Korea. Two for one sale. Same disrespect that brought us the increased E2 visa requirements. I care more about having a good life as a foreign teacher here in Korea than I care about Korea having cheaper white talking faces. How unpatriotic but then it's not my country. Otherwise there wouldn't be these damned visa hoops, medical exams, 'are you a paedophile' consular interviews, you know the drill.
And yes, I know, 'if you don't like it why don't you go back to your home country?'. Like I haven't heard that one before.
H, I understand you're a FT who teaches at a University and so you have no stake in this topic, the TALK program and its implications. So I'm really just ranting to myself here and not addressing you. Bad subject, shits in my Corn Flakes. |
I honestly wouldn't worry that much about this. As it stands now, they can not fill half the positions at 2.0 mill plus. While some people will come under this program, I don't think it is going to be enough to cause you any problems. And, once the first person in this program gets caught smoking pot Koreans will go crazy once again and the government will be forced to raise the standards. Also, let's be honest. How much of what the government proposes regarding English education in this country ever even works out close to their intended plan. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Well that'll make a good article some day....
Joe HighschoolDiploma lost his teaching job in Korea after contracting HIV, and wasn't afforded a plane ticket to leave the country. Lacking enough money to return home, and angered at his treatment, Joe decided to sleep bareback with as many Korean women in Hongdae as possible. He claims to have slept with over 100 Korean women between the ages of 18 and 40 since learning he was HIV positive.
Joe is currently being held in immigration lock-up pending trial. He said, "If they'd have paid my way back, then they wouldn't have an HIV epidemic on their hands. As little as Koreans wear condoms, there are probably tens of thousands of HIV-infected Koreans by now, all because they were too cheap to give me a plane ticket out of here which I could not afford..." |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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I honestly wouldn't worry that much about this. As it stands now, they can not fill half the positions at 2.0 mill plus. While some people will come under this program, I don't think it is going to be enough to cause you any problems. And, once the first person in this program gets caught smoking pot Koreans will go crazy once again and the government will be forced to raise the standards. Also, let's be honest. How much of what the government proposes regarding English education in this country ever even works out close to their intended plan. |
Thanks for that. I've got scars from being in the hagwon wars. But I think there are enough Uni undergrads that might think it's a jolly Peter Pan and Wendy escapist jaunt to ditch Western reality, grap their digeridoo, and pack off to Korea. It gives me the heebie jeebies because they have no idea what they're getting into; Korean homestay. In the country county where I work a South African woman recently arrived and she stays in homestay. Regular public elem job, nothing to do with TALK, and she's slotted into goddamn Korean homestay. Some fishy fandangling going on here. Trust the government not to cut corners? Lend out the 'three hours a day' TALKers to do some officially appointed inroading into my job's arena? Circumstances may change. Test program, pilot program, testing the waters.
I like your sound approach to this, though, and hope you're right. 1.5 million won these days is piddle. But if you're running away from home and off to Neverneverland to join the circus that's some good coin. Bring us your fledgling, fleeing foreigners and we will babysit your son or daughter children of America, UK, Australia, etc. Korea suckling! |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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That's funny, tighten the visa restrictions but lower the education qualifications. I guess the result is that you'll get more harmless idiots coming in.  |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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agoodmouse wrote: |
This is actually a good program idea. |
Then YOU teach full-time in a hellish rural area for 1.5.
Didn't think you would.  |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hyeon Een wrote: |
missionshk wrote: |
agoodmouse wrote: |
This is actually a good program idea. |
Are you an idiot?
my contract says nothing about aids.. they have no right to add insult to injury if some chance I contacted a disease from this place.
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The AIDS thing is a national policy towards all non-Koreans, not just this program. If you catch AIDS here or anywhere else, you're no longer welcome here unless you're Korean (.. and you won't exactly be made to feel welcome then either..)
Anyway, I think this program is a great idea. There'll be some problems with it, but on the whole I think it'll have a positive effect on the country. There are actually a lot of good memories in middle aged Koreans' minds from Peace Corps teachers back in the 60s and 70s .. maybe this will be similar for the country folk.
Anything which can introduce new and different perspectives here is sure to be good for the country in the long run. There will certainly be some problems, but any effort involving "up to 500" people will have problems. Anyone who seriously thinks their job is in threat because of this is probably misunderstanding this program. |
If it's such "a great idea" then why is the pay is 1.5 per month instead of the average pay for public school teachers?
You do it and tell the rest of us how to live on 1.5 per month. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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wylies99 wrote: |
agoodmouse wrote: |
This is actually a good program idea. |
Then YOU teach full-time in a hellish rural area for 1.5.
Didn't think you would.  |
I didn't get the hate for rural areas before I came here and worked in one. It really is that bad! The job by itself would be tolerable. The lack of contact with other English speakers would be tolerable. Those two things together are, yeah, HELLISH. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Draz wrote: |
I didn't get the hate for rural areas before I came here and worked in one. It really is that bad! The job by itself would be tolerable. The lack of contact with other English speakers would be tolerable. Those two things together are, yeah, HELLISH. |
Country life in Korea is relaxed. Hell is where Lucifer and his servants inflict wounds upon your body that are torn open again before they heal. Unless that cow that lives next door is Lucifer and the chickens are His servants. Let me guess, you're exaggerating. Strictly platonic relationships with these farm animals by the way.
It's tougher on young people, boonies life. Thus the TALK program gets bonus demerits. Korea Mooing! |
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