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On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

I don't see the need for any of this intervention we've been getting lately. I don't go in for the tooth-and-nail debating style myself, but some people like it, that's their thing, and it keeps the discussion entertaining. There should be room for all sorts of styles.

And as for this "no insulting whole groups of people" rule...

Islamophobia is a crude oversimplification of reality. However, if we're gonna enforce a rule against insulting an entire religion, where is that gonna end? Religion is not race. Joining a religion commits you to believing and doing certain things, and if some people find those things moronic or barbaric, well, I guess they're gonna think you're a moron and a barbarian. That's pretty much the fate of anyone who joins any group, religious or otherwise.

Of course, sometimes people misrepresent what a group believes, but on this forum we certainly seem to have enough people willing to defend(for example) Islam against false allegations for that not to be a major problem. Granted, Scientologists would probably find few defenders, but that's just because eveyone knows that they're a bunch of brain-dead, ignor- oh yeah, sorry. Forgot about the new regs.

Anyway, I don't know how to post a poll, but I invite anyone who agrees with me to step forward and say so. And if you disagree, feel free to call me a self-aggrandizing asshole.

Enrico Palazzo · Mod Team Joined: 11 Mar 2008

On the other hand, I edited your post and placed a poll for you per your request. It's easy to place a poll. Just go below where it says poll and put a question and then hit add options.

A poll was placed. Let me get the results...

What are your views of this forum?
It is completely fine the way it is, no changes please
31% [ 5 ]
It has many good posters, but there are problems with spamming, propaganda, stereotyping, flaming
31% [ 5 ]
What took the mods so long to do anything?
6% [ 1 ]
There aren't enough female contributions on the forum
6% [ 1 ]
OPTIONS 2 and 3
25% [ 4 ]

Total Votes : 16

If we analyze the data, though I placed another poll for your convenience, 62% want changes and 31% don't want changes and 6% wanted more females on here. However, people can vote again as the guidelines have come into action over the past week.

I think a particular religion or creed can be discussed without engaging in unsubstantiated stereotypes. For example, one poster in a thread a few weeks ago, said that everyone who follows Islam or says they believe in it, believes in violence and is violent-prone. I am paraphrasing.
It's one thing to disagree with a religion, and one thing to engage in bigotry.

There's a difference. I know it's en vogue to engage in Islamic bashing just as it was en vogue to engage in Jewish bashing or anti-Semitism in the 1930s and have Catholic youths taught Jews have horns.
I am hoping enough people have enough restraint, want to use their IQ to engage in a civil discussion. This isn't the Archie Bunker Current Events Forum. It is not like I didn't think about this topic that you mentioned. It is a thorny one.

The guidelines have been placed and no matter whether we're dealing with cultures, religions or what have you. Being a moderator is a very tough task. The same would apply to calling Ashkenazi Jews fascists as one poster stated earlier. Are you suggesting this is how the forum should appear? If so, please advise. Do other members feel the same way. Feel free to use this new poll.

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

Funkdafied · Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Location: In Da House

Yes, I think the forum was perfectly fine and in fact much better before. What is happening here amounts to stifling free speech.

By the way, suggesting that Islam is a religion that promotes violence and tends to create violence is not a baseless accusation. The mod in question seems very much like a pc fascist at this point.

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

On the other hand: what exactly prompted you to ask this? Something specific must have happened. Can you explain? (No, I do not read all the threads on this forum -- far from it. So something may have happened that I did not see.)

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

I would also like to observe that I've just been over to the General Disucssion Forum, and generalizations about Korea and Koreans would appear to be alive and well over there, garnering little or no attention from the mods. Moreover, Korea is not a religion, and hence the generalizations are even less justified than the ones that get made about Islam over here.

I am aware that there was some sort of drive by the mods to rid the General Forum of anti-Korean invective. It would not appear to be much in force, however.

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

The only thread I'm aware of is the one where I insulted a certain poster. In my opinion, anyone who says that every single Muslim (or member of any group, doesn't really matter) would want to harm him simply because he said something heretical in their view, does not deserve respect. Criticize the group's beliefs all you want, but when you dehumanize people like that, you cross the line. Hell, I even asked him to clarify (albeit in a rather a-hole way), and well, he clarified all right.

There might be other threads, I don't know. I haven't been on the forum much the past few days, and I can't imagine OTOH posting this after just one thread.

edit: eh, never mind. guess it is just that one.

cbclark4 · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

cbclark4 · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan

It seems from what I have seen that the 2 newest moderators are at fault
in these latest incidents with encouragement from Pokie.

I think the mods need a meeting, I for one am calling for the banishment of Kitty and Enrico and wrist slapping for Pokie.

We really don't need this many Mods.

I'd like the other Mods to chime in her also.

Power corrupts and these two have proven the point.

There are no rules there are only guidelines.

edit: ran spell check

cbclark4 · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan

Here's a good for instance about guidelines.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=102772

This link is to a thread where many of the participants have pasted very long selections into their replies.

This is against the guidelines, we are supposed to limit our word count.

Now I happen to like that thread I do not think it should be deleted.

However if Enrico Suave' wants to "enforce" guideline that wonderful
thread would be gone.

The heavy handedness is draconian a couple of day old mods getting
carried away big time.

It's just not good Mod form.

Enrico Palazzo · Mod Team Joined: 11 Mar 2008

cbclark4 · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan