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jiyull
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Question about recruiters |
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Is it appropriate to deal with four different recruiters at the same time and what is the best way to deal with them?
One is telling something and the three are telling me another thing...
One is saying that because I'm ony a level three, it is pretty much impossible to get a job in Incheon or Gyeonggi-do and I should I apply for other MOE jobs down south...whereas the other three are telling to apply anywhere I want. The reason that I want to work in Incheon and the Gyeonggi-do region is because all my extended family members live in those areas, whereas I have little to no relatives anywhere else.
I'm wondering how I should proceed with caution because I'm giving them all my information and whatever is required...
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Question about recruiters |
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| jiyull wrote: |
Is it appropriate to deal with four different recruiters at the same time and what is the best way to deal with them?
One is telling something and the three are telling me another thing...
One is saying that because I'm ony a level three, it is pretty much impossible to get a job in Incheon or Gyeonggi-do and I should I apply for other MOE jobs down south...whereas the other three are telling to apply anywhere I want. The reason that I want to work in Incheon and the Gyeonggi-do region is because all my extended family members live in those areas, whereas I have little to no relatives anywhere else.
I'm wondering how I should proceed with caution because I'm giving them all my information and whatever is required...
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If you want Incheon / Gyeonggi, then go there.
There is NO shortage of JOBS in the private (hakwons) or PUBLIC sector schools in either place.
If one recruiter is telling you that you need to go down south, then he probably does not have anything in his listings for Gyeonggi or is not on the "approved list" for hiring by GEPIK or Incheon school MOEs.
If you want Gyeonggi, go direct to GEPIK.
http://cge.ken.go.kr/contents/m_online_application_eng/main_regist.asp
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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EFL Recruiters and Used Car Salesmen are the same people
The EFL business is fuckin' greasy. |
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jiyull
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the comments...
I figured something like that...because that one recruiter was being real aggressive about me choosing places down south... while the other three said it was up to me. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Question about recruiters |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| jiyull wrote: |
Is it appropriate to deal with four different recruiters at the same time and what is the best way to deal with them?
One is telling something and the three are telling me another thing...
One is saying that because I'm ony a level three, it is pretty much impossible to get a job in Incheon or Gyeonggi-do and I should I apply for other MOE jobs down south...whereas the other three are telling to apply anywhere I want. The reason that I want to work in Incheon and the Gyeonggi-do region is because all my extended family members live in those areas, whereas I have little to no relatives anywhere else.
I'm wondering how I should proceed with caution because I'm giving them all my information and whatever is required...
thanks |
If you want Incheon / Gyeonggi, then go there.
There is NO shortage of JOBS in the private (hakwons) or PUBLIC sector schools in either place.
If one recruiter is telling you that you need to go down south, then he probably does not have anything in his listings for Gyeonggi or is not on the "approved list" for hiring by GEPIK or Incheon school MOEs.
If you want Gyeonggi, go direct to GEPIK.
http://cge.ken.go.kr/contents/m_online_application_eng/main_regist.asp
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ttompatz is right- ignore recruiters (scum) and apply directly to the schools. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| jiyull wrote: |
Thanks for the comments...
I figured something like that...because that one recruiter was being real aggressive about me choosing places down south... while the other three said it was up to me. |
"down south" in KOREA can mean many places- almost all of them, except Busan, are bad news.  |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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The two most annoying things about recruiters.
1. You see a bunch of job listings, and you apply for the job that you like. Then they e-mail you. "Oh, that position was filled a long time ago. How about this position." If it was filled a long time ago, why is it still on the site? That's right: to sucker you in.
2. You get really specific and say, "I only want to teach in Bundang. I would like elementary, and I would like to work mornings/days." Then they send you a position that says, "How about this one?" Jeonju, high school, 4:00 - 11:00.
Definitely work with more than one recruiter. It will get a bit difficult because you start to get schools mixed up. Some of them send you info on a school, but they don't bother to put the school name down. Then later you realize that a different recruiter set you up with an interview with them already.
Hang in there! |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the point of recruiters anyway? I was planning on just directly applying to the schools. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the point of recruiters anyway? I was planning on just directly applying to the schools. |
That would seem legit, but one thing...
Many schools here are run by administration who can not speak English very well, and if they can, they can't be aysed to produce a contract. On top of that all, they want someone in there right away. You know how it is, they like to do things here REALLY fast.
My advice, follow Oreo Victim's advice. Go with more than one recruiter. Stay away from recruiters who hound you about filling hagwon positions. Be VERY specific with them as well. I mean SPECIFIC in regards to what you want.
Do not be reluctant in an interview to get up and walk out if you feel for whatever reason that they aren't meeting your expectations.
I went through a series of interviews just three weeks ago. One of them the man I talked to on the phone wasn't even there. Instead I met this woman who couldn't speak any English, instead she got the man on the phone who was telling me to sign the contract. Only thing was that there wasn't any contract at all. Just a ripped in half piece of A4 printer paper and the woman was scribbling the hours down as well as the pay, which wasn't what I was told on the phone. When I told her that what she was offering me was in conflict to what I was told initially, she called the guy up again and he told me that it would be changed. I got up and walked the hell out of there.
Another interview I had was where this guy calls me up and tells me that "I will be working at two schools, and I will have to use my own money for transportation between schools and the apartment they were offering me, which they were reluctant in showing me." I asked them if I could speak to a recent company hire and he picks up the phone. Then he puts it back down and says "Uhhh, we can't get anyone on the phone." Then I asked him about pay deductions and he whips out a calculator but then again he pauses and says he will have to spend 20 minutes figuring it out. I told him I had 20 minutes to spare. He then asked his friend behind a desk, a very unfriendly meat headed Korean responsible for their accounting, and he responds to him in Korean in a very aggressive tone something, I don't know what it was.
I asked him where the bathroom was and I got the *beep* out of there as fast as I could.
Recruiters can be really shady.
I walked into an interview the same day. Being skeptical, I didn't expect much. I ended up signing with them two days afterwards. They gave me time to think about it, they answered all my questions. They let me find my own housing. They will be paying for it as well as key money up to 5 million, which is not bad. Also, they will be paying for AIG insurance as well as supplying me with ample vacation time as well. I am sure I could have found something better than this job, but I am not complaining. The school is in a really nice location and the students and staff there are really nice. The principal, a really short Korean woman, gave me a big hug the day I met her. Really funny because I am quite tall. The kids at my school are very respectful and eager to learn. Anybody can do this job I landed.
Do NOT let a recruiter push you into making immediate decisions on the spot without explaining in detail the specifics of what they are offering you. Question them on anything. Tell them up front that you expect them to be completely honest with you. You expect them to answer every question you have, and you expect them to give you time to think over your decision. You expect them to understand your request and if they don't understand or refuse to understand, then they can *beep* off.
This is one year of your life you are giving to them. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| They will be paying for it as well as key money up to 5 million, which is not bad. Also, they will be paying for AIG insurance as well as supplying me with ample vacation time as well. |
AIG is worthless unless you get cancer or something.... do they offer the NHI?
good luck |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Many recruiters also lie to applicants about the tax rate and claim it's 3.3%- so that they can help the hagwons get you registered as an independent contractor and cheat you out of your health insurance and pension. Many recruiters actively and knowingly assist hagwon owners cheat teachers. |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks a lot for the advice Lekker, very useful.
Since i'm applying from America I don't have the advantage of face to face interviews. So I guess I should just really be attuned to what they say over the phone, the contract, how efficient everything works and how responsive they are?
I also plan on talking to other teachers at the school if there are any other English speakers, and trying to fully research the school on the internet. And I have an enormous list of questions that I will grill them with and see how they respond.
Beyond all of this, how can you tell if a job is really bad or good? What else should a person do to make sure they don't get screwed? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
Thanks a lot for the advice Lekker, very useful.
Since i'm applying from America I don't have the advantage of face to face interviews. So I guess I should just really be attuned to what they say over the phone, the contract, how efficient everything works and how responsive they are?
I also plan on talking to other teachers at the school if there are any other English speakers, and trying to fully research the school on the internet. And I have an enormous list of questions that I will grill them with and see how they respond.
Beyond all of this, how can you tell if a job is really bad or good? What else should a person do to make sure they don't get screwed? |
UMmmm... education... READ THE FAQs.
every newbie asks the same questions. They get answered all the time. Nothing has really changed in the last 5 years.
After you get through the FAQs, read through the contract sticky. 80 odd pages of contracts and what to look for to protect yourself.
Then take 30 minutes and READ the labor laws as they pertain to you.
Educated is ARMED and prepared to have a good experience over here as compared to getting screwed, blued and tattooed.
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jiyull
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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You guys should watch out for ECI...
that was the company that told me that there are only jobs down south for a level 3..when other recruiter told me different.
I emailed them about...before my job interview...I haven't received a call for a job interview...I guess they got upset and nixed it. |
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