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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Put my Drug perscription on my application? |
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I'm applying to the public schools in Korea(gepik, SMOE, etc.) and the applications asks if we've taken any perscription medicine or mental treatment.....I've only taken adderall for ADD. Hardly important, so i figure it will be alright to lie and say no. Since it's confidential info, I won't have immigration some how finding out?
(I'm in the USA)
Lastly, If I wanted to get the perscription filled in korea, but didn't't tell immigration, will it still be valid? If I go to a local doctor there to get a perscription, will my employers find out and come back to me? I don't need it, but Adderall is a useful drug when a lot of stuff needs to be done. I'd like to have it. |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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You have many, many of the same questions I do, so I'll be watching this post as well. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Immigration has nothing to do with what you can get filled. You'll be fine.
DO NOT TELL YOUR EMPLOYER'S WHAT MEDICINE YOU ARE ON. There is NO medical privacy in Korea, and Koreans, let's face it, are often dumb as hell when it comes to anything "different." (I have a very odd medical thing called Raynaud's, and I've only tried to explain to Koreans I really, really love and respect because they are the only three people I knew who wouldn't freak out.)
I don't know if you can get Adderall here (someone elses might be able to chime in), but when you go to the doctor DO NOT go to a friend of your boss, or a clinic your boss recommends. Go elsewhere. Don't blab on to the doctor about where you work, just say it's a hogwon and if they ask for the school's number, claim you don't know it.
If you go to an int'l clinic you'll pay out the nose but may have better confidentiality. |
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Zaria32
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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For crying out loud, ADD is NOT, NOT, NOT a mental health problem! |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Zaria32 wrote: |
For crying out loud, ADD is NOT, NOT, NOT a mental health problem! |
Sorry, but the DSM IV disagrees.
*says the person with bipolar and OCD, which are very much mental health problems* |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think you should lie on any application, it's dishonest. |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
I don't think you should lie on any application, it's dishonest. |
Yeah, you said the same thing over on my post.
However, this is a case where a small lie may actually serve things better.
My conditions have never effected my jobs in a negative way, and so they should not be taken into account in evaluating my potential job ability, just as something such as diabetes should not.
I can't vouch for the abilities of the OP, but it may be a similar case. |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Bundang
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Omitting the information...if an application requests it...could be defined as falsification.
In that case...most "good" contracts do have an indemnity clause, stating that if you didn't provide the info...you "could" be fired.
Also...Adderall...Prozac...these are very difficult medications to come by in Korea. If you're in Seoul, there are a few professionals in the area...the only way I know this is because they advertise in the English newspapers.
I recently rejected an applicant myself because of their medical history and medications disclosure. I know people will hate to hear that...but I'm not taking the chance on having my school fly somebody to the other side of the planet with the possibility of this individual being a very different person/teacher without their meds...and without the possibility of getting more.
And you're absolutely correct...the DSM IV would disagree...my girlfriend would love to hear you make that reference (psych was her major, crisis work, I've heard a lot about this stuff before).
It's something to think about OP. Are you fine off the meds? Have you gone through periods when you haven't been on them? How did that go? Did you return to your script after taking time off? Are you currently taking the script? You won't be able to get them shipped...do you have enough to get you through a year?
If you're good without the meds...don't disclose...easy as that. But if the meds are a part of you, and they are necessary...if you don't disclose you could get canned later on.........but, they might not hire you with disclosure. Double edged sword. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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DongtanTony wrote: |
Omitting the information...if an application requests it...could be defined as falsification.
In that case...most "good" contracts do have an indemnity clause, stating that if you didn't provide the info...you "could" be fired. |
So what? How many times have KOREANS lied to us? And how many times has that lying had much bigger impact? Like, you know, not paying us?
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Also...Adderall...Prozac...these are very difficult medications to come by in Korea. If you're in Seoul, there are a few professionals in the area...the only way I know this is because they advertise in the English newspapers. |
OK, now that I know this is true: people who need these meds may want to see if their doctor in the States will refill them. I can ONLY take Yasmin, and when I came here, that wasn't available. (I think it's supposed to be now, but I don't know.) So my doctor fills the prescrips and my mother sends them to me. We've been doing this for nearly 2 years and NEVER had the meds taken en route. She sends DHL or priority and writes "personal medical item" on the envelope. (That sort of sounds like a convoluted way to say "sex toy," but that's OK.) She also includes the actual prescrip label in case there are any problems (never have been).
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I recently rejected an applicant myself because of their medical history and medications disclosure. I know people will hate to hear that...but I'm not taking the chance on having my school fly somebody to the other side of the planet with the possibility of this individual being a very different person/teacher without their meds...and without the possibility of getting more. |
And THIS is why you should indeed lie. Before Korea got stupid and changed their visa rules, you didn't even NEED a medical form for the vast majority of jobs here. These new rules are bullshit.
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If you're good without the meds...don't disclose...easy as that. But if the meds are a part of you, and they are necessary...if you don't disclose you could get canned later on.........but, they might not hire you with disclosure. Double edged sword. |
I've never disclosed any of my meds or medical problems to any of my schools and it's never mattered. I am NOT fine without Yasmin (cysts hurt like a bitch) but the school doesn't need to know that.
OP, ignore this tool. |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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DongtanTony wrote: |
Omitting the information...if an application requests it...could be defined as falsification.
In that case...most "good" contracts do have an indemnity clause, stating that if you didn't provide the info...you "could" be fired.
Also...Adderall...Prozac...these are very difficult medications to come by in Korea. If you're in Seoul, there are a few professionals in the area...the only way I know this is because they advertise in the English newspapers.
I recently rejected an applicant myself because of their medical history and medications disclosure. I know people will hate to hear that...but I'm not taking the chance on having my school fly somebody to the other side of the planet with the possibility of this individual being a very different person/teacher without their meds...and without the possibility of getting more.
And you're absolutely correct...the DSM IV would disagree...my girlfriend would love to hear you make that reference (psych was her major, crisis work, I've heard a lot about this stuff before).
It's something to think about OP. Are you fine off the meds? Have you gone through periods when you haven't been on them? How did that go? Did you return to your script after taking time off? Are you currently taking the script? You won't be able to get them shipped...do you have enough to get you through a year?
If you're good without the meds...don't disclose...easy as that. But if the meds are a part of you, and they are necessary...if you don't disclose you could get canned later on.........but, they might not hire you with disclosure. Double edged sword. |
To the OP:
Indeed. If you think you can survive off the meds without any detriment to your work, or if you can arrive with a year's supply, then go for it. If not, you might want to look into another country.
To the Commenter:
Yeah, my dad has a PhD in psych, and there are photos of me, as a kid, laying around reading the DSM III. I've been diagnosed with my disorders since I was 12, and have spent a reasonable amount of free time in the last 13 years since then educating myself on them. I figure, people who have diabetes learn about their health problems, why should I not learn about mine? |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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No body in Korea lies... it's like living in a nation of lawers - 54 million people who misrepresent the truth.  |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Adderal is an amphetamine. There is a minor problem in this country with amphetamine abuse. If you list it on your application, you will probably be denied because you are using an amphetamine; if they can figure out that adderal is an amphetamine.
If you do not list it on your app and you come here and take a drug test and you've been popping addies to get "more things done", then you will definitely be denied and might face some kind of law enforcement problem.
The best thing is to lay off your power meds, don't put it on your app, try to get them at an international clinic once you've passed your drug test and don't abuse them too much once you get here. |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Bundang
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Comparing a female contraceptive to amphetamine based meds...and anti-depressants.
Go ahead OP...try shipping Adderall.
Who's the tool??? |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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DongtanTony wrote: |
Comparing a female contraceptive to amphetamine based meds...and anti-depressants.
Go ahead OP...try shipping Adderall.
Who's the tool??? |
My packages have never been opened. Not once. She could've been shipping babies' feet for all they know. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: |
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If you need babies' feet to function properly, you have bigger problems than working in Korea. |
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