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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: World's Worst Religious Leaders |
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World's Worst Religious Leaders
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Hassan Nasrallah
Religion: Shiite Islam
Who is he?: Secretary-General of Hezbollah
Country: Lebanon
Quote: �If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak, and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice I do not say the Israeli.�
Why he matters: Nasrallah and several colleagues formed Hezbollah in the wake of Israel�s invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Since then, the group has become a unique entity in world politics�at once an Islamist political party, a terrorist militia, and a virtual state-within-a-state in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah�s 2006 battle with the Israel Defense Forces only boosted its prestige. Nasrallah studied Islam at a seminary in Najaf, Iraq, as a teenager and follows the brand of Shiite Islam developed by Iran�s late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. In recent years, as he has emerged as a major power broker within the Lebanese government, Nasrallah has stopped calling for an Islamic revolution and seems willing to work within the state. Nasrallah has not moderated his stance on Israel, though, and still calls for the �Zionist entity� to be wiped off the map. |
The other four I haven't heard of.
No, Rev. Wright did not make the list.  |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I've heard of them all except for perhaps the Sri Lanken one. The leader of the Lord's Army is particulary revolting. Don't like to think about what he has been responsible for.... *shudders* He forces child soldiers to murder their own family members... Urgh. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree. Do a little research and I don't think you could find a more abhorrent human being than Kony. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly Ali Khamani ought to be included.
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| No Pat Robertson?! No John Hagee? No USA megachurch pastors? What a rip-off! |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Hmm... making anti-Semitic remarks = worse than Jim Jones?
Of course Jones is dead, but I'm sure there are plenty of other deranged and homicidal cult leaders still alive. Shoko Asahara might be a good start. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Hmm... making anti-Semitic remarks = worse than Jim Jones?
Of course Jones is dead, but I'm sure there are plenty of other deranged and homicidal cult leaders still alive. Shoko Asahara might be a good start. |
With Hizzbolah it is more than just words. Hizzbollah is a fascist hate terror group who hunts down jews overseas. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| stillnotking wrote: |
Hmm... making anti-Semitic remarks = worse than Jim Jones?
Of course Jones is dead, but I'm sure there are plenty of other deranged and homicidal cult leaders still alive. Shoko Asahara might be a good start. |
With Hizzbolah it is more than just words. Hizzbollah is a fascist hate terror group who hunts down jews overseas. |
Are you talking about the killings in Argentina, Joo? It's my understanding that there is no consensus on who was actually responsible, and fingers are still pointed at the local military.
I agree with StillNotKing that this list is a load of crap really. There are some really foul people who have not made the list. One wonders at the criteria. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| One wonders at the criteria. |
They seem to have been striving for equal representation of the major faiths. There's a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
I agree with StillNotKing that this list is a load of crap really. There are some really foul people who have not made the list. One wonders at the criteria. |
Is that what SNK said? I thought his statements referred to Joo's posting of Al Khomeini's picture.
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| Hmm... making anti-Semitic remarks = worse than Jim Jones? |
Because Nasrullah has made more than anti-Semitic remarks, and I'm fairly certain SNK would recognize that.
This list is well and good, keeping in mind that:
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| They seem to have been striving for equal representation of the major faiths. There's a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew. |
As a list compiling the most hateful representative of each faith, its done an excellent job. And yes, Nasrullah is probably by far the worst of them. He's certainly the most notorious. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Are you talking about the killings in Argentina, Joo? It's my understanding that there is no consensus on who was actually responsible, and fingers are still pointed at the local military.
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 The Argentinian military was involved? What the heck? Where's the logic behind that one?? |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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I'm not sure I agree with the characterization of most of these guys as religious leaders. The wacky, anti-gentile rabbi, yeah, but the others are politicians or military leaders as much as religious figures. By that definition is Bush a religious figure? He might make some people's list.
I'm surprised that Fauxp Nazinger didn't make the list. He's been quiet for a few months, and maybe "All non-Catholics must convert to be saved as no other religion is true" is an old song, but isn't that as bad as the rabbi? Nazinger was working on precipitating a culture war between all Christians and Muslims, that's not worth a mention? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| The Argentinian military was involved? What the heck? Where's the logic behind that one?? |
Well, it wouldn't be entirely out of character for the Argentinian army to be involved in anti-semitic violence.
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Jacobo Timmerman, is the author of an autographical book called Prisoner without a Name, Cell without a Number, in which he retells him experiences while being sentenced to the infamous clandestine cells.[28] He goes into detail about certain events in which the investigators acted in a more ruthless manner when his Jewish identity was revealed. He also discusses how it was common for the military to use Nazi symbols as a way to intimate Jewish prisoners. Similar experiences are also seen in the �Comisi�n Israeli por los Desaparecidos Judios en Argentina� which is an Israeli sponsored Commission that successfully gathered detailed interviews of family members of los desaparecidos who lived through those scary years in Argentina. It also has several editorials by experts about the military�s involvement in discriminating against Jews. Fortunately, there is a copious amount of primary sources and personal accounts that will help present a vivid portrayal of the coercion the Jews in Argentina had to undergo during those years.
When reading Timmerman�s description of the clandestine cells he specifically notes that although it was unpleasant for non-Jews and Jews alike, he is graphic in portraying the maltreatment of Jewish prisoners and their relationship with the investigators. Timmerman was held in three different secret locations and two legal prisons throughout 1976-83. The Argentine government insists that he was not arrested for being a journalist or a Jew, yet they never gave a specific reason for his detainment. It is ironic because Timmerman did firmly believe in the need to combat terrorism within the boundaries of Argentine law. However, he could never properly explain that to the military. He also thinks a major reason for his kidnapping was because he was a passionate Jew and Zionist; something that made the military became wary of his activities.
Timmerman elucidates that there are two explanations as to the treatment of the Jews, one being from the Argentine government and the other from the Jewish community. The current and past military government of course denies having discriminated against Jews and asserts that episodes of torture or violations of Jewish girls were isolated affairs.[29] The Jewish community on the other hand believes that the �isolated episodes� far surpassed the government�s claims and that Jews, like Timmerman, were arrested without a formal accusation.[30] He also writes that during the years 1974-78 he remembers hearing that Jewish girls in these undisclosed cells experienced twice as much sexual abuse and rape as non-Jewish women.[31]
Jacobo Timmerman also addresses certain tribulations that were allocated only for the Jews. For instance, he remembers being interrogated in a room that hung pictures of Hitler and swastikas. He also recalls the special tortures invented for Jews, the reduced food for Jewish prisoners, poor treatment towards Rabbis who would visit, and the constant insults he received when officers would shout at him in a furious yet self-gratifying way ��Jew!�[32] When describing the officers who dealt with the Jews he writes, �[T]orturing a Jewish prisoner always yielded a moment of entertainment to the Argentine security forces, a certain pleasurable, leisurely moment.�[33] He also recounts the story of a seventy year old man at the prison of Coti Mart�nez who was beaten senselessly by policemen because he was suspected of being Jewish. When they discovered that he was wearing a cross they accused him of trying to hide his Jewish identity. When Timmerman later meet him in the cell they shared, he pondered on the idea that this man, although a practicing Catholic, was beaten on the belief that he is a Jew.[34] As descriptive as Timmerman�s work is in portraying the way Jews were targeted and humiliated by the military, his story is neither unique nor original given that other Jews found themselves in similar situations.
The Israeli government arranged a special commission whose task was to seek and document the stories from relatives of Jews in Argentina whose loved ones were taken by the Argentine government and were never to return. The �Comis��n Israeli por los Desaparecidos Judios en Argentina,� was able to put together a collection of interviews of Argentine Jews whose family members were victims of the right-wing military regime. This commission�s goal is to secure the authenticity of the stories and unsure they do not go unforgotten. This commission also worked on accumulating information about the Argentine government�s actions on kidnapping and torturing Jews. In an article put together called �El terrorismo de estado en 1976-1983 sobre el transfondo de la pol�tica argentina en el siglo XX� by Luis Roniger and Mario Sznajder, there is a detailed analyses of the situation that many Jews found themselves in since they were perceived by those in power as the unwanted and menacing minority. Another comprehensive article that helps in grasping how Jews were subjugated to extreme torment can be seen in �Informe sobre la situacion de los detenidos-desaparecidos judios durante el geocidio perpetrado en Argentina� by Maris Braylan, Daniel Feierstein, Miguel Galante, and Adrian Jmelnizky. After reading numerous first hand accounts, as well as these articles, one can understand the mistreatment that many Jews suffered as a result of their religious background. This will undoubtedly verify that the Argentine military regime discriminated and targeted Jews, even those who were not associated with Leftist activities.
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This seems to be from a student's essay, but the main source is a book published by Knopf, as you can see in the footnotes.
And according to the the United Jewish Communities...
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Though Iran was suspected of involvement, with the help of Argentine police, the culprits have never been found. In 2005, an Argentine prosecutor said the AMIA bombing was carried out by a 21-year-old Lebanese suicide bomber who belonged to Hezbollah.
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I'm not saying the Argentine military was involved, just that it wouldn't be utterly off-the-wall to suggest that they were.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| I'm fully aware of Argentina's anti-semitic past, and had the bombing occurred when Argentina had a junta or wasn't democratic, I wouldn't be so skeptical. When you factor in the date, however, it boggles my mind that Argentina's military would be behind the act. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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A wikipedia overview of the event
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| Federal judge Juan Jos� Galeano followed investigations concerning the "local connection", which included members of the Bonaerense (Buenos Aires Provincial Police). He quickly arrested Carlos Telleld�n, alleged to have provided the van used in the bombing, and some 20 officers from the Bonaerense. But a video broadcast on Argentine TV showed him offering Telleld�n $400,000, in return for evidence, which led to Galeano's removal from the case in 2003, and his impeachment in August 2005. |
There you go BB. Gov't connection is not legit. |
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