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jiyull



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: "Gyopo position" Reply with quote

Hi,

I've been offered "Gyopo" positions...what exactly does that mean?
I know what that term means and I am a "Gyopo" but...what is exactly does the position mean and entail?
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I'm Seoul Lost



Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Location: In the mountains of Gyeonggi

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means the owner is a racist who doesn't want to hire anyone from a 'barbarian' race. As opposed to every other hagwon job where the owner wants a white person but no other 'barbarian'.
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jiyull



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah that was very helpful

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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you speak Korean?

If so your duties will likely be more than teaching. They might have you do more administrative work or even interact with the parents.


Be sure to ask for more money if that's the case. I'm not gyopo, but I've had a few gyopo friends taken advantage of in this situation.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Gyopo position' is slang for 'don't want to deal with visa, housing, and possibly also insurance or severance.'

By hiring you, the boss saves a bundle.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Seoul Lost wrote:
It means the owner is a racist who doesn't want to hire anyone from a 'barbarian' race. As opposed to every other hagwon job where the owner wants a white person but no other 'barbarian'.


Quote:

'Gyopo position' is slang for 'don't want to deal with visa, housing, and possibly also insurance or severance.'

By hiring you, the boss saves a bundle.
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jiyull



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see
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NightSky



Joined: 19 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will probably get the worst of both worlds--you may have to do the work of a Korean teacher, but won't get paid as much as a whitey, and more than likely you won't be perceived as a native speaker by the kids/parents.
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jiyull



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess being Korean isn't much of a benefit, in terms of this

or not
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jiyull wrote:
I guess being Korean isn't much of a benefit, in terms of this

or not




Don't think like that. Seriously, I know some gyopos who are making a killing here. Way more than any other foreigner could make.

As long as you got the langauage skills and are willing to put in a little research, you can find some pretty good gigs here.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
'Gyopo position' is slang for 'don't want to deal with visa, housing, and possibly also insurance or severance.'

By hiring you, the boss saves a bundle.


This.

By hiring someone with an F-series visa (in most cases a gyopo or a whitey with a Korean spouse) the boss has a MUCH easier time with the paperwork.

This is a good thing for you, a lot of the places hire at the last minute and don't have time to deal with visa hurdles so use your bargaining power to negotiate for good pay/working conditions.
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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
jiyull wrote:
I guess being Korean isn't much of a benefit, in terms of this

or not




Don't think like that. Seriously, I know some gyopos who are making a killing here. Way more than any other foreigner could make.

As long as you got the langauage skills and are willing to put in a little research, you can find some pretty good gigs here.


I agree. I'm a gyopo on an F-4 visa and I think I have an advantage over your average "native" teacher.

Sure, there may be a few hagwons out there who don't want to hire us because of how we look but not everyone is like that. Also, if you do know how to speak, read and write Korean, you have a competitive advantage. You should take advantage of it.

If you're a gyopo, born and raised abroad, I don't think you should ever take less money or benefits than a "native" teacher makes especially if you are bilingual.
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jiyull



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dammit
my Korean is average...
my listening skills are pretty good...I can pretty much understand all Korean dialect, except for jejudo dialect
my talking skills aren't as good, because I don't really have enough confidence with it
my reading and writing skills are shambolic...

Hopefully, I will improve my Korean fast, because I plan on going there and staying with family for at least 1-2 months before my job starts.
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DrunkenMaster



Joined: 04 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to think about setting up TOEIC, TOEFL, or SSAT classes for middle school kids at night time. My Gyopo buddy has classes of four that meet twice a week, and they each pay 300,000 won per month for those 8 classes. 1.2 million for 8 hours.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: "Gyopo position" Reply with quote

jiyull wrote:
Hi,

I've been offered "Gyopo" positions...what exactly does that mean?
I know what that term means and I am a "Gyopo" but...what is exactly does the position mean and entail?


Did these job offers just fall out of the sky, or did you apply for them? I am going out on a branch here and I assume you applied to these positions. If that is the case, then there is a good chance that there were job ads. And, if I am still correct, then you (and not anyone here) should know the answer to your question. Shocked
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