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kaleska
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 Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: tefl international |
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| Does anyone have any information about or experience with tefl international? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: tefl international |
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| They are an expensive waste of time. Your money is better spent on a CELTA or DELTA course. |
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kaleska
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: tefl international |
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| Could you give further details regarding this opinion? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know about TEFL International, but I do have friends that went through the ITTT course.
If you've never taken a TEFL class, it teaches you a lot. It gives you a 100 hour certificate that is recognized in Korea and might net you more money. You can do it at your leisure. It's cheap at under $300 US.
CELTA is the best, but usually costs over $2,000 plus your living expenses. Korean employers don't seem to care if you have an online TEFL or a CELTA, so if you aren't going to teach ESL/EFL in another country besides Korea, CELTA would be a waste of time and money. |
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kaleska
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Whats the ITT course? I'm really quite interested in pursuing a teaching position abroad, but I really don't know how to go about it. A lot of the information online seems to be vauge and slightly misleading. Advice? General comments? Who to steer clear of? Leads? Anything would be appreciated.
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: tefl international |
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| kaleska wrote: |
| Could you give further details regarding this opinion? |
You study for 4 weeks and learn a total of ONE teaching technique. A technique that would work well with total non-speakers and young children the first 5 or 6 times you use it, but then what are you going to do the remaining months of the class?
Anyone with ANY experience in a TEFL classroom will get nothing out of the course.
Anyone who wishes to teach adults or business or writing or basically anything except young learners and non-speakers will get nothing out of thsi course.
If you've never had any experience in a TEFL classroom before, I suppose you could argue this course will give you enough practice to get your confidence up, but that can be said of any course that has a large practicum component to it.
If you've never had any TEFL experience, then again, a CELTA or DELTA provides a much more complete baseot begin from. And CELTA/DELTA are much more widely recognized than any fly-by-night TESOL/TEFL/whatever "certification" class you take.
The only real benefit to the course is you can do it in Thailand and "study" right on the beach. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| kaleska wrote: |
Whats the ITT course? I'm really quite interested in pursuing a teaching position abroad, but I really don't know how to go about it. A lot of the information online seems to be vauge and slightly misleading. Advice? General comments? Who to steer clear of? Leads? Anything would be appreciated.
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ITTT is a company's name that offers TEFL courses.
Most of what YoungFrank says is true, but I do know teachers who taught in Korea, some taught other subjects in the USA, too, that benefited from online courses like TEFL. If anything, it gave them different ideas, insight and 100,000 more a month with SMOE. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: tefl international |
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| Young FRANKenstein and Bibbitybop wrote: |
| CELTA |
Uh oh. BassExpander swoops into any thread mentioning CELTA like Batman to the Bat Signal.  |
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DRAMA OVERKILL
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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TEFL through ITTT - didn't learn anything I didn't already know, but I now get a nice monthly increase in pay for having the certification.
In Korea:
TEFL = more money (cheap certification).
CELTA = informative course, more money (expensive certification, but opens many doors worldwide for teaching jobs). |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| DRAMA OVERKILL wrote: |
In Korea:
TEFL = more money (cheap certification) |
Only in a very small percentage of schools/hagwons. Most schools couldn't care less what certification you get, and won't pay more for it. EPIK, yes. GEPIK, yes. But most others? Not by a long shot. CELTA will get you more money and open more doors than any TEFL cert will. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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I took a TEFL course in Chiang Mai, Thailand (through Text and Talk)
and I learned a lot from it (plus I got to stay in Chiang Mai for two months in the winter...)
It was a five week, 120 hour course with a lot of observed and evaluated practice teaching (mostly to university students and monks...) and I took it after working 20 months at my first hakwon in Korea.
I had already developed a workable teaching style on my own, but the course provided more theoretical awareness of the EFL field - along with hundreds of practical classroom ideas.
I think it cost about $1,000, and I stayed at a nice tropical guest house I found (next door to a gorgeous temple) for under $300/mo. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| If the DELTA is better than CELTA, why does everyone talk about the CELTA? Or am I wrong? |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| If the DELTA is better than CELTA, why does everyone talk about the CELTA? Or am I wrong? |
The CELTA is a certificate which is designed for entry level teachers.
The DELTA is a diploma which is designed for experienced teachers and as a program which one often takes after 2 years of post-CELTA experience. The DELTA focuses heavily on theory and opens doors for testing etc. i.e. CELTA trainers are usually DELTA qualified.
Comparing the two is like comparing an MA with a BA.
This is just what I've gathered, I've done a CELTA, If I am totally off base I'm sure someone with a DELTA (or who is just more knowledgable on the situation) will step in. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Are you sure about all that, Otherside? I went to the Delta Distance website and found this:
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Course participants: entry requirements
Entry requirements 1: Qualifications and experience
The Cambridge DELTA is a qualification for practising teachers in the field of ELT. Typically, candidates following the course will have:
a first degree
an initial ELT qualification
a minimum of 2 years full time (1200 hours) teaching experience of ELT to adults within the past five years
a range of teaching experience involving work in different teaching contexts and experience of teaching adults at different levels
an appropriate awareness of language, and language competence in English to enable them to follow the course and complete all assessed elements successfully
The entry requirements above are in accordance with those laid out in the Cambridge ESOL DELTA Syllabus & Assessment Guidelines.
Entry requirements 2: IT skills and access
The Distance DELTA is an electronically delivered programme and you must ensure that you have adequate access and IT skills to enable you to follow the course. These include:
access to computer facilities with CD ROM drive
adequate word-processing skills to enable you complete written assignments
competent in using the internet and e-mail
regular access to internet facilities (minimum one hour per week)
regular access to adequate word-processing and email facilities
anti-virus protection regularly updated
Entry requirements 3: Practical requirements
The Distance DELTA is an integrated programme, with practical and written components forming the basis of all formally-assessed assignments. During the course, you need to:
be involved in ELT teaching on a regular basis
teach groups of adults (i.e. learners over the age of 16 years). For formal assessment purposes, you must ensure that there is a minimum of 5 students in the group you are teaching. On one occasion, there must be a minimum of 10 students in the class
have the support of an approved Local Tutor
have access to appropriate library facilities.
(for April entrants) guarantee that you will be teaching for a minimum of two months out of July, August and September |
Is Delta Distance different than regular Delta? This website has the International House and British Coucil logos on the site. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Otherside is correct.
Read careful. After *a first degree*, there's *an initial ELT qualification*. i.e. CELTA. |
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