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Which are you from?
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Which country are you from?
Australia
7%
 7%  [ 8 ]
Canada
24%
 24%  [ 27 ]
Ireland
6%
 6%  [ 7 ]
New Zealand
4%
 4%  [ 5 ]
South Africa
2%
 2%  [ 3 ]
United Kingdom
13%
 13%  [ 15 ]
United States
36%
 36%  [ 41 ]
Other
5%
 5%  [ 6 ]
Total Votes : 112

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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Which are you from? Reply with quote

I'd like to know which English-speaking countries have what proportion of ESL teachers in Korea. It seems to me that I almost never read posts from representatives of some countries, and am nearly overwhelmed by the cybershouts of others. I wonder if anyone could tell me why that is....

From ESL job listings and posts on this site, I understand that the options I've listed are the nations from which ESL teachers usually come. If I'm wrong, then I invite correction.

So where do you come from? If other, then please tell.
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far it's looking like mostly North Americans are teaching ESL. Would y'all say that this is accurate?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to recent statistics the stats (for public schools) are:

40% USA
26% Canada
9% South Africa
8% UK
6% NZ
5% AUS
2% Ireland
3% other (F's and NOT one of the 7)

I expect that the stats would be similar (+/- a couple points) across the entire spectrum of ESL in Korea within a 95% confidence limit.


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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate the input. This poll seems to more or less echo your numbers. I couldn't find statistics on this point anywhere.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
according to recent statistics the stats (for public schools) are:

40% USA
26% Canada
9% South Africa
8% UK

6% NZ
5% AUS
2% Ireland
3% other (F's and NOT one of the 7)

I expect that the stats would be similar (+/- a couple points) across the entire spectrum of ESL in Korea within a 95% confidence limit.


More South Africans than Brits?

I think someone's been sniffing Kimchi slurry.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The %'s of teachers you see, really depends on the area where you work.

Where I was working last year we had a disproportionate number of Irish. Perhaps, 6-7 of the 18 or so teachers in the area were Irish, and Aus/NZ weren't represented at all. With the UK/SA having 2 teachers a piece and the rest split amongst the US/Canada.

This year, I recently went to a local GEPIK orientation with about 80 teachers present. I'd say ATLEAST 30 of the teachers there were South Africans.

Out of the teachers I've met and am friendly with perhaps 80% are from Ireland/UK/SA, without a single Kiwi/Aussie in the mix. I'm pretty sure if I was in a different area the numbers would be completly different.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^That may be so amigo, but empirical evidence tells me otherwise and besides, those stats don't make reference to any specific region, so your claims have about as much validity as his.

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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double toast.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry.

Stats were from actual numbers of people hired by and employed in public schools in Gyeonggi province last year.

1024 teachers (a statistically valid sample size for teachers in Korea) and the SPECIFIC numbers were:

USA 410
Canada 267
South Africa 97
UK 82
New Zealand 58
Australia 56
Ireland 20
others 34

They would make a fairly good cross of teachers in Korea and statistically would fall +/- 3% in the 95% confidence interval.

The immigration numbers from 2 years ago (most recent available) were very similar and were NOT estimations of percentiles but actual numbers based on the issuance of ARCs.

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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the good thing about your posts ttom, you take the time and trouble to back it up.

Nice.



Smile
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
according to recent statistics the stats (for public schools) are:

40% USA
26% Canada
9% South Africa
8% UK

6% NZ
5% AUS
2% Ireland
3% other (F's and NOT one of the 7)

I expect that the stats would be similar (+/- a couple points) across the entire spectrum of ESL in Korea within a 95% confidence limit.


More South Africans than Brits?

I think someone's been sniffing Kimchi slurry.


It does seem unlikely, doesn't it?
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Hairy Jim



Joined: 06 Jan 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow that's so interesting
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Miles Rationis



Joined: 08 May 2007
Location: Just Say No To Korea!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know where I am from these days.
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JerBear



Joined: 27 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Canadians than Brits. That surprises me. USA with the highest numbers isn't surprising since it has the largest population of any major English-speaking country. But Britain has a much greater population than Canada, yet there are more Canadians.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Brits can legally work in ESL positions in EU countries without visa hassles and North Americans can't. Perhaps the continent is sucking the well of British ESL teachers dry. (???)

Just a theory.
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JerBear



Joined: 27 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
The %'s of teachers you see, really depends on the area where you work.

Where I was working last year we had a disproportionate number of Irish. Perhaps, 6-7 of the 18 or so teachers in the area were Irish, and Aus/NZ weren't represented at all. With the UK/SA having 2 teachers a piece and the rest split amongst the US/Canada.

This year, I recently went to a local GEPIK orientation with about 80 teachers present. I'd say ATLEAST 30 of the teachers there were South Africans.

Out of the teachers I've met and am friendly with perhaps 80% are from Ireland/UK/SA, without a single Kiwi/Aussie in the mix. I'm pretty sure if I was in a different area the numbers would be completly different.


Interesting. All foreign teachers at my school (granted, there are only 4 of us) are white males from the USA. Most of the ESL teachers I've met (whether friends of friends, drinking buddies, whatever) have also been from the USA. I haven't met anyone who has identified himself or herself to me as a Canadian. Of course, since the accent is virtually identical to that spoken in Michigan or Minnesota, I might just not have picked them out. I've met a handful of Brits (maybe 3 or 4) - mostly at bars and shops in Itaewon. I've met no one from Ireland, South Africa or Australia (yet). I've met one Kiwi (made the mistake of asking her if she was from London - hey, forgive me! Her accent was watered down a bit and I'd only heard her say 3 or 4 words).
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