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richardlang



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: a grammar question Reply with quote

1. "The appearance and taste of french food are unique."

Appearance and taste are both abstract nouns, yes? Shouldn't the subject be singular, and therefore we should use 'is' instead of 'are'. I found this sentence on the internet.
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poet13



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no whiz at this stuff, but I think you answered it yourself with, "Appearance and taste are both...".
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would the fact that they are abstract make them singular? The subject is plural, and the sentence is correct.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet,

Wouldn't the preceding "THE" create a difference?


In line with your answer, if you put "the" back into the sentence as per the original, it wouldn't sound right.


"The appearance and taste are both nouns, yes?"


However, I believe your answer was correct nonetheless. Smile
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: a grammar question Reply with quote

richardlang wrote:
1. "The appearance and taste of french food are unique."

Appearance and taste are both abstract nouns, yes? Shouldn't the subject be singular, and therefore we should use 'is' instead of 'are'. I found this sentence on the internet.


"french food" is the object of the preposition. Therefore, take it out of the equation. appearance (n.) and taste (n.) are the subject components (i.e. compound subject).

The appearance and taste are unique.

That is correct.

Now, insert the prepositional phrase that is used to describe the compound subject.

The appearance and taste of french food are unique.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Poet,
Wouldn't the preceding "THE" create a difference?
In line with your answer, if you put "the" back into the sentence as per the original, it wouldn't sound right.
"The appearance and taste are both nouns, yes?"
However, I believe your answer was correct nonetheless. "

Laughing
Like I said, I've no whiz. I can look at most things English and see that it's right or wrong, but often I can't properly explain why. Oops, I just outed myself. Damn! I'm a fraud.
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richardlang



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"As we develop, so does the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."

How can we break this sentence down, too??? It's a correct sentence, I know. But help me out, again -- please.
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winterwawa



Joined: 06 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The appearance and taste of french food are unique.

The appearance of french food is unique.
The taste of french food is unique.

Two simple sentences joined using a cordinating conjunction "and". The parts that are being cordinated are appearance and taste. Therefore the subject, as previously pointed out, is a compound subject. The sentence structure is SSV (Subject + Subject + Verb), and requires a plural verb.

The appearance is + The taste is = The appearance and taste are.
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richardlang



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone.

How can we understand the second sentence in comparison to the french food sentence.
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kiwiana



Joined: 29 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two sentences the OP has posted seem a little to different to compare to me.

I was interested in the answer to the first post and found this online relating to compound subjects,

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/english/data/d0081795.html

It states that,

"But when the two nouns refer to the same person or thing, the verb is singular: My flatmate, and fellow team member, has broken his leg"

So, my question is, how does the sentence above relate to the original post? Don't "appearance" and "taste" refer to the same thing, ie, French food. If these two sentences do directly relate then wouldn't the OPs post use "is" instead of "are"?
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Ut videam



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The example you cite doesn't apply to this situation. Appearance and taste are two separate and very distinct qualities, not two ways of referring to the same thing.
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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richardlang wrote:
"As we develop, so does the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."

How can we break this sentence down, too??? It's a correct sentence, I know. But help me out, again -- please.


This is ellipsis, I think. Combining two sentences. I have my grammar book at home, but I'm pretty sure something is elided here, probably the second "develop".

"We develop."

"The complexity and intimacy of our relationship develops."
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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what wikipedia sez:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_construction
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kiwiana



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, now it makes sense, thanks UT Videam
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richardlang wrote:
"As we develop, so does the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."

How can we break this sentence down, too??? It's a correct sentence, I know. But help me out, again -- please.

It is not correct. Correct is

"As we develop, so do the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."
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