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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: a grammar question |
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1. "The appearance and taste of french food are unique."
Appearance and taste are both abstract nouns, yes? Shouldn't the subject be singular, and therefore we should use 'is' instead of 'are'. I found this sentence on the internet. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no whiz at this stuff, but I think you answered it yourself with, "Appearance and taste are both...". |
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bacasper

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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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How would the fact that they are abstract make them singular? The subject is plural, and the sentence is correct. |
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KoreanAmbition

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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Poet,
Wouldn't the preceding "THE" create a difference?
In line with your answer, if you put "the" back into the sentence as per the original, it wouldn't sound right.
"The appearance and taste are both nouns, yes?"
However, I believe your answer was correct nonetheless.  |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: a grammar question |
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richardlang wrote: |
1. "The appearance and taste of french food are unique."
Appearance and taste are both abstract nouns, yes? Shouldn't the subject be singular, and therefore we should use 'is' instead of 'are'. I found this sentence on the internet. |
"french food" is the object of the preposition. Therefore, take it out of the equation. appearance (n.) and taste (n.) are the subject components (i.e. compound subject).
The appearance and taste are unique.
That is correct.
Now, insert the prepositional phrase that is used to describe the compound subject.
The appearance and taste of french food are unique. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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"Poet,
Wouldn't the preceding "THE" create a difference?
In line with your answer, if you put "the" back into the sentence as per the original, it wouldn't sound right.
"The appearance and taste are both nouns, yes?"
However, I believe your answer was correct nonetheless. "
Like I said, I've no whiz. I can look at most things English and see that it's right or wrong, but often I can't properly explain why. Oops, I just outed myself. Damn! I'm a fraud. |
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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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"As we develop, so does the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."
How can we break this sentence down, too??? It's a correct sentence, I know. But help me out, again -- please. |
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winterwawa
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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The appearance and taste of french food are unique.
The appearance of french food is unique.
The taste of french food is unique.
Two simple sentences joined using a cordinating conjunction "and". The parts that are being cordinated are appearance and taste. Therefore the subject, as previously pointed out, is a compound subject. The sentence structure is SSV (Subject + Subject + Verb), and requires a plural verb.
The appearance is + The taste is = The appearance and taste are. |
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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you everyone.
How can we understand the second sentence in comparison to the french food sentence. |
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kiwiana
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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The two sentences the OP has posted seem a little to different to compare to me.
I was interested in the answer to the first post and found this online relating to compound subjects,
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/english/data/d0081795.html
It states that,
"But when the two nouns refer to the same person or thing, the verb is singular: My flatmate, and fellow team member, has broken his leg"
So, my question is, how does the sentence above relate to the original post? Don't "appearance" and "taste" refer to the same thing, ie, French food. If these two sentences do directly relate then wouldn't the OPs post use "is" instead of "are"? |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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The example you cite doesn't apply to this situation. Appearance and taste are two separate and very distinct qualities, not two ways of referring to the same thing. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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richardlang wrote: |
"As we develop, so does the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."
How can we break this sentence down, too??? It's a correct sentence, I know. But help me out, again -- please. |
This is ellipsis, I think. Combining two sentences. I have my grammar book at home, but I'm pretty sure something is elided here, probably the second "develop".
"We develop."
"The complexity and intimacy of our relationship develops." |
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jkelly80

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kiwiana
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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OK, now it makes sense, thanks UT Videam |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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richardlang wrote: |
"As we develop, so does the complexity and intimacy of our relationship."
How can we break this sentence down, too??? It's a correct sentence, I know. But help me out, again -- please. |
It is not correct. Correct is
"As we develop, so do the complexity and intimacy of our relationship." |
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