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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: anyone know of ? Reply with quote

Perfect English For in Korea,Has anyone heard of this agent?

They promote selling contracts teaching in some public schools in Seoul. Schools are not owned by the government and have to go through immigration for visa numbers .
This is NOT SMOE or EPIK or GEPIK. 30 hour teaching and 10 day holidays in contracts
They seem to sub agent to a Korean company Daekyo for the jobs and Daekyo sell the teachers to the schools. The contract is sponsored by Daekyo not the school

I have been told you have to pay this agent a fee when they get you a job.


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TeeBee



Joined: 18 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't pay any SA recruiters any money! You really, really don't need to.

I've put together a website for advice on this very thing. You can check out the bit about recruiters here:

http://safkorea.wordpress.com/recruiters/
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: South Africa "Perfect English for Korea" Legit Reply with quote

blonde researcher wrote:
Perfect English For Korea .. or PEFK, or their agent Susan in SA
Has anyone heard of this agent?

They promote selling contracts teaching in some public schools in Seoul. Schools are not owned by the government and have to go through immigration for visa numbers .
This is NOT SMOE or EPIK or GEPIK. 30 hour teaching and 10 day holidays in contracts

PEFK seem to sub agent to a Korean company Daekyo for the jobs and Daekyo sell the teachers to the schools. The contract is sponsored by Daekyo not the school

I have been told you have to pay this agent PEFK a fee when they get you a job.
I know Teach Korea South Africa has charged a fee to teachers for jobs - maybe this is a common practice in South Africa?
Any South Africans out there who may know the 'fee rules' or the 'bad rules' for agents in SA


Do NOT PAY A FEE to a recruiter for a job in Korea.
The SCHOOL pays the recruiter fee - NOT YOU.

There are LOTS OF JOBS.

There are LOTS OF RECRUITERS. Do NOT pay a recruiter to find you a job.

If you prefer you can go direct to the public school system (EPIK / GEPIK). Look at their respective websites. GEPIK will allow you to apply on-line.
http://cge.ken.go.kr/contents/m_online_application_eng/main_regist.asp

If you want a hakwon, choose several of the many recruiters and go with the one that bests suits your needs and can deliver what you want in terms of employment.

There are 10,000 more jobs than there are applicants. Do NOT pay a recruiter.

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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im really trying to find out more about this particular agency
Who are they ?? Are they even a registered business or just one Korean person calling themself this business name?
Any Website they can be located ?? Has anyone else had dealings with them? good - bad?


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TeeBee



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of one person who was placed here by PEFK, and she seemed pretty happy with them. But this situation you describe sounds really dodgy to me!

If your friend can, I think he should end his dealings with these guys. No-one should have to pay to get placed here. PEFK is trying to double dip here! The schools pay the recruiters to find teachers for them.

What is this "contract to get a job"? Does this mean he signed a contract saying that he will pay them to find him a job? Is there some penalty for not using them? This doesn't sound like legal practice in SA. Surely your friend can change his mind and use someone else?
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blonde researcher



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Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it seems a fee has to be paid to the agent.

In anticipation of getting out -- he really needs to know if this agent has any business credentials if things get worse and he can't get his documents back.

Are they legit
Thanks for the help on this.


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TeeBee



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an older version of PEFK's documents, so not sure if it's still valid, but it states:

"You do not have any financial obligation towards us when you sign and return the contract to us. The signed contract only comes into effect after you have been accepted to start teaching in Korea."

From this I understand that if they don't place him then there is no financial commitment on your friend's part. But it is a little vague on what "accepted to start teaching in Korea" means.

I'm not well informed about the legal ramifications here, but I doubt PEFK could hold your friend liable for the recruitment fee if he decides not to work through them. I mean, what would happen then if his circumstances changed and he couldn't go anymore? But the fact that his documents are already in Korea may be a problem, especially considering the time it takes to get a criminal background check in SA.

Depending on your friend's time scale in terms of heading to Korea, and the amount of grief trying to get away from PEFK may cause, he may consider just biting the bullet and hope that they place him in a decent place.
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blonde researcher



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump

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TeeBee



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This makes me angry. I really dislike how South Africans get exploited by these recruitment companies, who deliberately mislead people about how to get a job in Korea.

I think the documents are the biggest problem here. If your friend has time, he might want to get another batch together to apply through a different recruiter or through the government education departments, as suggested by ttompatz. Lots of people use several agencies to find jobs. But, like I mentioned before, the criminal record check takes forever. 40 days minimum, last time I checked.

I think PEFK should be treated like any other service provider in SA. If you aren't happy with the service that they are providing, then tell them so and go to someone else. They haven't met their obligations, and so your friend has every right, in my opinion, to tell them to jump off a cliff. I don't think there'd be any legal implications of doing so, especially as they aren't doing what they said they'd do. Unless there was some penalty clause in the contract he signed...
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blonde researcher



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im thinking EPIK of GEPIK will take the application and then perhaps wait for the new criminal record to arrive.

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TeeBee



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably a good move. EPIK or GEPIK are definitely a better option. I was placed in a GEPIK school myself, though through a recruiter. If your friend needs a recommendation for a recruiter (who doesn't charge a cent but really helps you during the process and after you arrive), please pm me and I'll send a name along.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's important you urge your friend to report recruiter scams to the S.A. Embassy - other embassies post info about ESL in K on their websites - maybe it's time SA did also.
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
I think it's important you urge your friend to report recruiter scams to the S.A. Embassy - other embassies post info about ESL in K on their websites - maybe it's time SA did also.


Most of these dubious recruiters are SA based, so reporting them to the embassy wouldn't really help. I suppose you could report them to local authorities, but no crime is actually being committed (am i wrong?). Sure is unethical, and they should be avoided like the plague.

Just a comment; I read a while back that these recruiters charge about R5000 for their services (about W700K). Yet recruiters earn between 1mill-1.5mill per teacher from the school (again, just hearsay). I really wonder if the extra money earned from fleecing the teacher doesn't actually cost them in the long run. e.g. if every 2nd potential teacher is turned away by the recruitment cost, the extra money earned from those who accept doesn't cover the losses from the korean school for an extra teacher. I'd think most teacher's would do enough research to find out that they are being screwed and even those who don't, its almost a certainty that they will find out during their 1-year sojourn, which would kill any referrals or repeat business. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
moosehead wrote:
I think it's important you urge your friend to report recruiter scams to the S.A. Embassy - other embassies post info about ESL in K on their websites - maybe it's time SA did also.


Most of these dubious recruiters are SA based, so reporting them to the embassy wouldn't really help. I suppose you could report them to local authorities, but no crime is actually being committed (am i wrong?). Sure is unethical, and they should be avoided like the plague.

Just a comment; I read a while back that these recruiters charge about R5000 for their services (about W700K). Yet recruiters earn between 1mill-1.5mill per teacher from the school (again, just hearsay). I really wonder if the extra money earned from fleecing the teacher doesn't actually cost them in the long run. e.g. if every 2nd potential teacher is turned away by the recruitment cost, the extra money earned from those who accept doesn't cover the losses from the korean school for an extra teacher. I'd think most teacher's would do enough research to find out that they are being screwed and even those who don't, its almost a certainty that they will find out during their 1-year sojourn, which would kill any referrals or repeat business. Thoughts?


Yes, are far as I can tell you are correct. I don't think they are committing any crime. They are just making the most of the fact that South Africans heading to Korea often don't have all the facts at their disposal. And with all the horror stories about recruiters and schools on this and other forums, I think most South Africans find a local recruiter more appealing than someone in a country far, far away. It's this lack of reliable information for South Africans that lead me to setup a website covering much of this, and hopefully it has stopped some people from being exploited.

This is nothing new. Lots of South Africans have been taken for a ride by recruiters sending people to Taiwan.

I agree that this business model seems self-defeating. But I think the reason that they charge people is that they insert themselves in between the Korean recruiters and the South Africans wanting to head this way. So they don't get much of the cash from the schools, and instead make their money from the teachers. Of course, they don't do much work, since the Korean recruiters do most of it. Basically its money for nothing. But I really can't work out how these guys manage to stay afloat. I'd be livid if I paid up to half of my first month's salary to these guys only to find out later I could have got the same service for nothing.

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