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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Trouble with my second teaching job. Advice? |
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I teach full time at a public middle school. It's a great job that I have no intention of quitting.
However, I also teach part time--- 5 hours a week--- at the elementary school across the street. This elementary school is having me teach two grades at once in each section--- one class for kindy and first, anther for 2nd/3rd, and another for 4th/5th. They pack the kids so tight into my "classroom"--- a room NOT designed to host classes, that on any given day one or two of them have no seats and have to sit on the floor or prop their pens, papers and notebooks against shelves.
The students themselves understand nothing I say to them, and I don't have a set co-teacher--- on any given day whatever Korean assistant they've placed in the class with me may speak no English, be unwilling or unable to help me maintain class order, or simply not show up. As a result, the students tend to be very inattentive and disruptive, and I'm not sure I blame them.
The curriculum the elementary school chose to purchase is woefully inappropriate and insufficient. The school knows this and is now pressuring me to create a supplemental curriculum in my spare time. I've TRIED to make time for this, but the spare time simply isn't there. I'm already creating curriculum from scratch for the junior high I work for, hundreds of pages of all new material and dozens of lessons. I'm more than willing to do this for my junior high--- they are my primary employer, they have me on salary, and they've been very good to me in every way possible.
I'm not willing to blow twentysome work hours creating a curriculum for a second very-part-time job that only pays by the hour, however.
In my opinion, the elementary school is trying to get the benefits of having their own full time native speaker without actually hiring one. The only way I could see myself staying on in this job in good conscience would be if the school put in an equal amount of its own work in creating a curriculum, and made sure that I had a real co-teacher teaching alongside me for every class.
What would you do if you were in my shoes? Should I refuse to do the extra off-site work they're asking me to do, and see if they decide to fire me? Should I tell them what things need to change for me to be willing to keep working there? (They want me to continue working for them next semester.) If I decide to simply quit, what's the most tactful way to do this? |
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majolica
Joined: 03 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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" I will be leaving this position in ___ days unless conditions a, b and c are met by ___ day."
the end? |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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majolica wrote: |
" I will be leaving this position in ___ days unless conditions a, b and c are met by ___ day."
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PeterDragon made a post about a month ago talking about how great his public school was. Made it sound like a dream, actually. I can't speak for him, but I don't think quitting is an option, am I right?
Is this a matter you can work through with your Middle School boss? It's his contract, right? Maybe he needs to be the one talking to the Elementary about changing your working environment. Also, what's in your contract? |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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That's definitely the simplest way to do it. But, while some would argue I shouldn't care, I am concerned about doing this in a way that doesn't come off a insulting. I sympathize with this school's basic problem--- they're having trouble getting a full time GEPIK teacher, a struggle they share with many of the rural schools out here. But trying to make my five teaching hours a week substitute for the real thing doesn't help anyone, IMHO. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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IncognitoHFX wrote: |
PeterDragon made a post about a month ago talking about how great his public school was. Made it sound like a dream, actually. I can't speak for him, but I don't think quitting is an option, am I right?
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And my middle school, mentioned favorably in the above post IS a dream, a very good one.
The ELEMENTARY school on the other hand.... Well, it looked good on paper. Now I need to back out or find a way to nudge the working conditions in a more reasonable direction. I'd rather spend those five hours helping my REAL school for free; I can find other ways to make a few hundred extra bucks a month. Quitting the elementary school is definitely on option; they're not sponsoring my visa, I don't need them for anything per se. I just want to do it with as much class and tact as possible if it comes to quitting.
Also, my contract with the middle school is completely separate from my contract with the elementary school. I can terminate the elementary contract with zero impact on my other contract. |
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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Trouble with my second teaching job. Advice? |
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PeterDragon wrote: |
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I teach full time at a public middle school. It's a great job that I have no intention of quitting.
However, I also teach part time--- 5 hours a week--- at the elementary school across the street. |
Is this even legal?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=119946&start=15
(See ABC Kid and Ttompatz)
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I'm already creating curriculum from scratch for the junior high I work for, hundreds of pages of all new material and dozens of lessons. I'm more than willing to do this for my junior high--- they are my primary employer, they have me on salary, and they've been very good to me in every way possible. |
Some people would argue they are taking advantage of you.
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Should I refuse to do the extra off-site work they're asking me to do, and see if they decide to fire me? |
Yes!
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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It is legal if you're in the countryside. I've heard of it being common to work at two hakgyos. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: |
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This is what I just don't get about Korean school officials. No Korean secondary school teacher would be allowed to teach elementary? Why? Because it requires a *different* set of skills. Why do they assume that because your'e white you should be able to teach everything from kindy to parents?
Just find a DVD player and show them movies every lesson and concentrate on your real job. Hell, do your MS lesson planning while the elementary students are watching movies. Who cares - if they don't like it they can find someone else for the P/T gig, right? |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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It's legal if you're in the countryside?n Are you suggesting immigration has one set of laws for the city, and another for the country?
I think you could get out of it quite easily by telling your primary school that the time you aer spending at the other school is affecting the quality of the work you do for them. You could tell them that you enjoy working there, but you don't feel its' fair that the school sponsoring your visa is getting shortchanged on the quality of your work. If you have someone there you trust, you can off-the-record by the coffee machine wonder out loud if the school would pull the plug on the other school... |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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poet13 wrote: |
It's legal if you're in the countryside?n Are you suggesting immigration has one set of laws for the city, and another for the country?
I think you could get out of it quite easily by telling your primary school that the time you aer spending at the other school is affecting the quality of the work you do for them. You could tell them that you enjoy working there, but you don't feel its' fair that the school sponsoring your visa is getting shortchanged on the quality of your work. If you have someone there you trust, you can off-the-record by the coffee machine wonder out loud if the school would pull the plug on the other school... |
Actually, if you work for the public system, you technically work for the provincial education system. So if your main school let's you take another public gig, it is lega. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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PDragon,
if there's anything at all I've learned from living and working in K it's that no matter what you do, how much you give, how creative and ingenious you are with a work situation, even how much it might be appreciated, the employer will always ask for more.
going along that line, they won't ever stop as long as you continue the path you've started. nor will someone look up and say - hey - perhaps you're working too hard, maybe we will get you an assistant.
it's not going to happen.
in some situations, they don't appreciate it, and don't even care about or perhaps even understand how hard you are working or how difficult the situation is. Perhaps they even think you are incredible to be able to work like that and that you think it's ok because you don't say otherwise.
SO, if you want things to change, hon, you are going to have to put up or shut up - simple as that.
Call a meeting
Make a list
Show them the list
Tell them what you need
Stick to your position whatever it may be.
Good luck!!
Let us know what happens, ok? |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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"Actually, if you work for the public system, you technically work for the provincial education system. So if your main school let's you take another public gig, it is lega."
Yup, just looked at my contract. I work for Gyeong San Buk do. |
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