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afsjesse

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Westernization of Korea Article |
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I read this article, and its very interesting. I disagree with most of his reasoning of why ESL Teachers are failing, but its an interesting read. |
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Passions

Joined: 31 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Where's the link?  |
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afsjesse

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/04/137_22591.html
Here's the link! I disagree with the fact that we contribute nothing to Korean society. While a large portion of ESL Teachers are oblivious to whats going on around them, I believe the majority of us are sincere at heart when it comes to teaching and what we teach. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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This would be what? Thread number 4 on the same topic? |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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That wasn't interesting at all , it was just plain stupid. Westerners fail Korea ? What prerogative do we have to serve Korea ? |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Underwaterbob wrote: |
This would be what? Thread number 4 on the same topic? |
Nope. Number 5, I think. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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I swear, that Shertzer's a closet PR maven. That dumb article of his is drawing more hits than the Gay Fellators thread. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure quite a few English teachers are responsible for the Korean Jesus freaks you see on the streets and subways (i.e. "Believe in Jesus! God can save you!"). |
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nateium

Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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People should basically have the choice to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't break the law.
Native English teachers who are here legally, should have those same rights.
If there is a fundamental social problem (macdonalds??) that can't be solved through education and personal choice, then make a new law!
Everything else is BS.
Globalization is inevitable. Just try to save what can be saved; language, food, etc. Confucian ideals have to go anyway. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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The guy is a self loathing dude. On the one hand I'll bet he'd be back home rallying for "diversity" but oh no what's good for the west isn't good for Korea. I love the part about where he says Western teachers all have an agenda. Oh lets see.....I just came to Korea on a whim with no particular goal in mind, no long range plans, etc.... What a goober. Of course we ALL have agendas. Mine is to stockpile enough money to make a career change over the next two years so I can remove my incompetent self from the pool of prospective hirees. I've been in this business a few years and I can honesly say that the assumption that a "certified" teacher is a better teacher has no validity when applied to an ESL environment. In fact I've seen more certs fail because they can't handle the stress of having to work in a situation where their training isn't an asset to them in facilitating the learning environment of most Asian schools. If I were running a business I would take the guy or gal with a few years ESL teaching experience over the totally cold certified western teacher anyday. This guy is doing nothing that hasn't been previously done - taking the misdeeds of a few individuals and painting all other teachers with his broad brush. Koreans are people in a culture and cultures change and they are influenced by other cultures.
Yes McDonalds food is crap but if the Koreans are willing to scarf it down then so be it. Looks like the author isn't missing too many meals now does it? |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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they weaken the social fabric of Korean society and culture. It is also wrong. |
Extremely dumb quote. Koreans are intensely interested in western culture for a variety of reasons. Social change is happening in the country now. Women are gaining more freedom. There will be some growing pains, but personally, I'm all for change. All for advancement. All for a woman divorcing her abusive husband. The list goes on...... nothing wrong with giving a Korean a western take on an idea. Is that indoctrinating them or giving them more choices? If western ideas never entered Korea, perhaps Koreans would still be married off at age 14 to a stranger.
And Korea won't transform into the USA. It will take what it wants, and keep out the rest. You can see that. Korea will always be Korea, let them enjoy things from the rest of the world! Thoughts, ideas, hell, even unhealthy fast food! It's called "freedom to choose."
This guy should seriously consider relocating to North Korea. Maybe he'd be happier! |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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bovinerebel wrote: |
That wasn't interesting at all , it was just plain stupid. Westerners fail Korea ? What prerogative do we have to serve Korea ? |
How does one measure if Westerners are succeeding or failing? What about the hagwon owners and public schools? From what I've seen, Korean students are not learning as much as English as they should, and it is not because there aren't enough dedicated foreigners at the hagwons and public schools, because there are plenty who want to help the kids learn English. Sometimes, they don't have a curriculum, sometimes they do midnight runs, because they are not paid or are exploited, or sometimes the public schools are not supporting their teachers enough. That is not our fault. That is the fault of the system. Anyway, Steve was teaching in Thailand before coming to Korea. Steve writes very well, but his piece is more of an unbalanced hit-piece against foreigners and romanticizes Asian culture. He should use his skills to write something better rather than a trashy piece like that.
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Buddy looks like he could use a few less Mcdonalds hamburgers imo. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, one more time -- and please, explain it to me like I'm a 5-year-old:
Why is this considered a "Current Event" topic and not a General Discussion Forum topic?  |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Okay, one more time -- and please, explain it to me like I'm a 5-year-old:
Why is this considered a "Current Event" topic and not a General Discussion Forum topic?  |
It seems like it's in both forums. I, personally, think it could be placed in both. It would be good to have the debate in both, but we have a duplicate thread regarding the subject in the CE forum. |
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