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read this warning before you sign any contract.....

 
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: read this warning before you sign any contract..... Reply with quote

Before you sign anything, you should get detailed letters of recommendation from at least 3 former employees about all aspects of a job. You should get their phone numbers and call them beacasue maybe they don't even exist. I have heard of bosses creating fake online Identities to vouch for their bunk academies.

Don't accept letters from current employees. Period.

They haven't experienced the most important part of the employment, the last day of the contract. Current teachers are usually apologetic and optimistic about current conditions, not to mention the fact that the boss maybe overseeing what they are writing.

I've seen this problem happen a lot at schools. I even vouched for my academy, only to later regret the words I'd chosen.

In Korea your boss owns your visa for one year. You can't necessarily change your job here for one entire year, and that can be a long, long year if you get the wrong job.

You've been warned!
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Seoul_Star



Joined: 04 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an employee at a horrible school, I have warned other potential applicants who have come in for interviews. The ones who were smart enough to ask to speak with a current employee all quickly realized that they didn't want the job. My other co-workers have also been honest with applicants.

After a string of people (maybe 6 or 7) turned down offers from our academy, our boss finally found someone too stupid to ask to speak with current employees. He'll be joining our staff in two weeks. I feel sorry for the dude, he has no idea what he is getting into, but the current employees have no way of getting his contact info to warn him of the poor circumstances.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

A good concept that is going to be impractical in most hogwan situations. Most hogwan bosses (even the good ones) don't have the current phone numbers for former employees. People end their contracts and are gone like the wind. How are people suppose to obtain these lengthy, detailed references?

Better to just avoid the hogwan scene altogether, IMO, unless you know someone there personally who is also trustworthy and can recommend the place.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul_Star wrote:
As an employee at a horrible school, I have warned other potential applicants who have come in for interviews. The ones who were smart enough to ask to speak with a current employee all quickly realized that they didn't want the job. My other co-workers have also been honest with applicants.

I did this at my last uni, as well. I talked to one applicant on the phone and several via email, warning all of them of the uni's shenanigans. I didn't rant, but only answered honestly the questions they asked. After I finally left the place, the one couple I warned away from that hellhole ended up working with me at my new uni.

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I feel sorry for the dude, he has no idea what he is getting into, but the current employees have no way of getting his contact info to warn him of the poor circumstances.

The office drone figured out I was sabotaging their applicants, and so stopped handing out my contact info to them. I went into her office cabinet (not locked), photocopied the resumes of the shortlist they were offering jobs, emailed them directly, and scared them away too. I still don't think the office drone realized what happened.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
Seoul_Star wrote:
As an employee at a horrible school, I have warned other potential applicants who have come in for interviews. The ones who were smart enough to ask to speak with a current employee all quickly realized that they didn't want the job. My other co-workers have also been honest with applicants.

I did this at my last uni, as well. I talked to one applicant on the phone and several via email, warning all of them of the uni's shenanigans. I didn't rant, but only answered honestly the questions they asked. After I finally left the place, the one couple I warned away from that hellhole ended up working with me at my new uni.

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I feel sorry for the dude, he has no idea what he is getting into, but the current employees have no way of getting his contact info to warn him of the poor circumstances.

The office drone figured out I was sabotaging their applicants, and so stopped handing out my contact info to them. I went into her office cabinet (not locked), photocopied the resumes of the shortlist they were offering jobs, emailed them directly, and scared them away too. I still don't think the office drone realized what happened.


Wow. Remind me not to get on your bad side.
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got phone numbers and emails for 2 former teachers who worked at the job I've been at for the last month. The boss is legit, just like the previous teachers said. Don't settle for less. Anything else is a complete gamble.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:
Wow. Remind me not to get on your bad side.

The only ones who should be worried about my bad side are the scumbag school owners that screw with my money and livelihood. The office drone I mentioned was not one of my targets, but her boss certainly was. He is now persona non grata with pension and labor due to the complaints I filed and the volume of complaints I helped co-workers file, every single one of which we won and he lost.
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not saying pension is terrible, but someone has got to wonder what is happening to the money being collected for pension. In theory, it's money you get on top of your salary, which sounds nice. However, why don't they just make the salary higher and let us decide what to do with the money?

We could always put it into the same source that is "supposedly" collecting it now, or we can invest it in another group. This would eliminate the games and wondering if your loving hagwon owner is actually paying into the system.
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