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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: GEPIK: What is different? Reply with quote

So the job that I have been offered and would like to take I would be obtained through a contract from via GEPIK. I can't really find a very good explanation of what exactly that means. The contract sounds pretty much like a standard public school contract, and the school itself is a standard public school.

Can anyone clear this up for me?


Also, I noticed this bit in the GEPIK contract:

"Article 17 (Security Deposit)
1.Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 Korean won per month to school administration office either on or by 26th of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 Korean won. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
2. Employer shall check the leased facilities and financial matters arising from the use of them by Employee before the Term of Employment is completed. If any liability or damages are found, these shall be confirmed in written form by Employee, who will be indemnified from the security deposit pursuant to the foregoing 1. In case that housing damages or fees owing exceed the security deposit pursuant to the foregoing 1, Employer is entitled to additional compensation up to the due amount owed and Employee will be refunded their security deposit upon termination of the contract. "

Is this normal?


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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK: What is different? Reply with quote

driftingfocus wrote:
So the job that I have been offered and would like to take I would be obtained through a contract from via GEPIK. I can't really find a very good explanation of what exactly that means. The contract sounds pretty much like a standard public school contract, and the school itself is a standard public school.

Can anyone clear this up for me?


HUH????

Care to translate this into something that makes sense?
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK: What is different? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:

HUH????

Care to translate this into something that makes sense?



Sorry if this was unclear.

I have been offered a contract with a public school. However, the contract is a GEPIK contract.

What I want to know is: is a GEPIK contract with a public school any different than a normal contract?
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ttompatz



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Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK: What is different? Reply with quote

driftingfocus wrote:
ttompatz wrote:

HUH????

Care to translate this into something that makes sense?



Sorry if this was unclear.

I have been offered a contract with a public school. However, the contract is a GEPIK contract.

What I want to know is: is a GEPIK contract with a public school any different than a normal contract?


If you are working at a public school in Gyeonggi province you ARE under the direct jurisdiction of the provincial education office whether you sign a standard GEPIK contract or one that is not.

The fact that they are using the standard GEPIK contract (make sure it is the current one - downloadable from the GEPIK website) is a good thing for you.

Is it different from a "normal" contract - depends on whose "normal" contract you are comparing it to. It is certainly better than any hakwon contract in the country.

It is comparable to EPIK and SMOE/ETIS with minor differences in scales and benefits as well as duties.

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majolica



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's just a different name... gepik, epik and smoe are all public school systems.
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK: What is different? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
If you are working at a public school in Gyeonggi province you ARE under the direct jurisdiction of the provincial education office whether you sign a standard GEPIK contract or one that is not.

The fact that they are using the standard GEPIK contract (make sure it is the current one - downloadable from the GEPIK website) is a good thing for you.

Is it different from a "normal" contract - depends on whose "normal" contract you are comparing it to. It is certainly better than any hakwon contract in the country.

It is comparable to EPIK and SMOE/ETIS with minor differences in scales and benefits as well as duties.

.



I noticed this bit in the GEPIK contract:

"Article 17 (Security Deposit)
1.Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 Korean won per month to school administration office either on or by 26th of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 Korean won. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
2. Employer shall check the leased facilities and financial matters arising from the use of them by Employee before the Term of Employment is completed. If any liability or damages are found, these shall be confirmed in written form by Employee, who will be indemnified from the security deposit pursuant to the foregoing 1. In case that housing damages or fees owing exceed the security deposit pursuant to the foregoing 1, Employer is entitled to additional compensation up to the due amount owed and Employee will be refunded their security deposit upon termination of the contract. "

Is this normal?
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's absolutely normal. It's in every GEPIK contract. Welcome to the club. Best luck on your prospective job.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GEPIK is not a contract, its the name of the program to place Native English Teachers into the Gyeonggi-do province.

When people say GEPIK, they are generally referring to the Gyeonggi-do Education Office, specifically the department in charge with Native Teachers.
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to pay 300K out of your first 3 pays. This is to cover costs after you leave the accommodation, such as unpaid bills.
It is normal for Gyeonggi schools, and you get it back along with your severance money after you finish. Think of it as forced savings.
I put mine towards a new notebook this year^^.

EDIT: The first months is offset by the 300K settlement allowance your due within 7 days of starting.
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://gepik.ken.go.kr/
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poet13



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when have deposits become the norm and acceptable? I remember a year ago people crying all kinds of foul over deposits.
Has the law changed? A year ago the standard advice was never pay a deposit, and don't agree to that clasue. Can deposits now be demanded lawfully?
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's little correlation between law and contracts for foreigners, at least specifically in the history of GEPIK contracts regarding this clause. It's held up by the board of education.
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
Since when have deposits become the norm and acceptable? I remember a year ago people crying all kinds of foul over deposits.
Has the law changed? A year ago the standard advice was never pay a deposit, and don't agree to that clasue. Can deposits now be demanded lawfully?


Standard advice? I thought that little uproar was a vocal minority demanding to be heard. I have never met a person who didn't pony up the deposit when it was required. It was the same in '99 as it was '07 and don't think it has ever been any different.

agoodmouse wrote:
There's little correlation between law and contracts for foreigners, at least specifically in the history of GEPIK contracts regarding this clause. It's held up by the board of education.


If I could have said it better myself, I would have.
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yeremy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Housing Deposit Reply with quote

I've never paid the housing deposit even though I worked at a GEPIK school for the last three years from 2005 to 2008. When the issue was brought up two years ago, I convinced my school it wasn't necessary because my wife is Korean and she is very responsible with paying bills. My former school accepted that and that was that.

I am with EPIK now and it is not an issue. My wife and I got our own housing with our own money but we do receive the housing allowance. No one has ever asked me to pay a 900,000 won deposit.

Personally, I understand that the POE's want to hedge and cover themselves and the schools over unpaid bills, which may not be helped because a NET may have to leave the country before they can pay their last utilility or other bills.

I would pay it if I had to, but I definitely would prefer to save or invest that 900,000 into an account or stock which will pay interest or a divident rather than filling up the POE's savings coffers for a school year. Some of us, however, may not have savings or are new to Korea, so forking over a deposit right away may be an inconvenience to them.
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driftingfocus



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New question:

I notice the contract says I will be reimbursed for my ticket. I do not have enough money to pay for a plane ticket there *and* have any money when I arrive. Do you think it will be possible to convince them to pay for it themselves?
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