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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Things taught in public school Reply with quote

Ok, I've read it over and over again on this board about some of the outrageous things being taught in school here, but they all seem to be second hand accounts.

I've seen one poster post up a page about "Africans" a long time back (if I remember correctly), but other than that, I really haven't seen that much.

For any and all working in public schools here, is there any chance you could scan/post up a few pages of what you would consider 'outlandish facts' covered in texts?
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would venture to guess nothing more "outlandish" than in any other country.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Things taught in public school Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Ok, I've read it over and over again on this board about some of the outrageous things being taught in school here, but they all seem to be second hand accounts.

I've seen one poster post up a page about "Africans" a long time back (if I remember correctly), but other than that, I really haven't seen that much.

For any and all working in public schools here, is there any chance you could scan/post up a few pages of what you would consider 'outlandish facts' covered in texts?


I haven't seen much outlandish material in textbooks. I think that what's not covered might be more important. For instance, students learn a tiny bit of European history but the rest is all Korean without even much focus on Asia as a whole. Students only learn about Korean geography. Students rarely go to science labs for science, biology, and chemistry to get some hands-on learning. PE rarely consists of team sports and is more often centred upon single-group activities.

By far the most outlandish thing that's instilled in adolescent learners here, from an ethno-centric, western point of view, is that learning happens by monologue, not dialogue.
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my class tell me that they learned that 85% of Americans own guns. I fixed that misconception real fast.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
I had my class tell me that they learned that 85% of Americans own guns. I fixed that misconception real fast.


The other week two words that came up in the same lesson were fat and percent. I told my students that about 50% of Americans are fat. I have no idew whether that's an over- or under-estimate or what standard dertermines fatness, but all-in-all American stereotypes don't bother me a great deal.
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Kimchieluver



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen anything "outlandish" in the texts. Like Bum said, it's what they aren't taught. I haven't even seen the strong emphasis on the "4 distinct seasons". I think the last two generations had that drilled into them. They are also very aware of current events in Korea and in some cases America, but outside that, they are pretty oblivious as to what goes on outside the rest of the world, not unlike Canadian students at their age (grades 7 -9).
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite outlandish exactly but these things in the reading section of lesson 10 in my second year middle school textbook I found amusing:

"I don't know exactly when Koreans began their lives here in Korea. My history teacher says that it goes back as far as five thousand years ago. For such a long time, we have lived with our own language and culture. We are very proud of our long history."

"Koreans are very proud of their language. Their language is called Korean. Written Korean is called Hangeul. It was invented in 1443 by King Sejong. He loved his people very much and he invented the written language for them. He is loved by all Koreans. Hangeul is very easy to read and write. So almost every Korean can read and write. In some countries people cannot read or write because their written language is too difficult. That's not true in Korea."

"My father says that Koreans are one of the hardest working peoples in the world. And I think it's true. I live in Dallas, and I have some friends from Korea in my neighborhood. Their parents work very hard. They usually start their work early in the morning and come back to home late at night. And they do their best for their children to have a better education. They know what's important in life."

"Hi, there! Let me first ask you this: Is it true that you Americans don't eat rice every day? Because our main dish is rice, we eat rice for almost every meal. Some of my friends like western foods, but I like rice better than any other kind of food. Oh, and kimchi is my favorite, too. It's a kind of vegetable we eat with almost every Korean dish. It's a little hot and spicy, but that's my favorite part."
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

The other week two words that came up in the same lesson were fat and percent. I told my students that about 50% of Americans are fat. I have no idew whether that's an over- or under-estimate or what standard dertermines fatness, but all-in-all American stereotypes don't bother me a great deal.


It's actually, unless things have changed within the last week, something like 33%, with Mexico a close second at just over 30.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

The other week two words that came up in the same lesson were fat and percent. I told my students that about 50% of Americans are fat. I have no idew whether that's an over- or under-estimate or what standard dertermines fatness, but all-in-all American stereotypes don't bother me a great deal.


It's actually, unless things have changed within the last week, something like 33%, with Mexico a close second at just over 30.


Hmm, well I did a quick google search and according to this: http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/healthmedical/a/hhsobesity.htm "An estimated 129.6 million [adult] Americans, or 64 percent, are overweight or obese."

So I guess for once I was being very generous and kind to Americans. Well, now I know how to revise my lesson the next time fat or overweight comes up in the vocab.
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
I had my class tell me that they learned that 85% of Americans own guns. I fixed that misconception real fast.


You took some guns away? Wink


Yu_Bum_suk wrote:


The other week two words that came up in the same lesson were fat and percent. I told my students that about 50% of Americans are fat. I have no idew whether that's an over- or under-estimate or what standard dertermines fatness, but all-in-all American stereotypes don't bother me a great deal.


This map

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/

is informative. But much better is the ppt presentation you can download from that page. It shows state by state breakdowns on obesity, on a year to year basis from 1996, IIRC.

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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Hmm, well I did a quick google search and according to this: http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/healthmedical/a/hhsobesity.htm "An estimated 129.6 million [adult] Americans, or 64 percent, are overweight or obese."

So I guess for once I was being very generous and kind to Americans. Well, now I know how to revise my lesson the next time fat or overweight comes up in the vocab.


What the *beep*? I swear I just read an article on the BBC a week or so ago saying those exact figures I stated. Now I'm looking and can't find anything. I guess I must have imagined the 30/33 thing cause they're all saying 65% or so.
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Hank the Iconoclast



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

The other week two words that came up in the same lesson were fat and percent. I told my students that about 50% of Americans are fat. I have no idew whether that's an over- or under-estimate or what standard dertermines fatness, but all-in-all American stereotypes don't bother me a great deal.


It's actually, unless things have changed within the last week, something like 33%, with Mexico a close second at just over 30.


That's obesity. 66% or so are overweight.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
I had my class tell me that they learned that 85% of Americans own guns. I fixed that misconception real fast.



So you told them it was 90%? Laughing
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patongpanda



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brown people* actually outnumber Koreans in the Elementary CD-Roms.

I think the problems are in the supplementary materials that the K-Teachers download or make themselves.

Like when ever my old co-teacher produced any material she used to cut-and paste clip art labelled 'Step to the world' in which Korea is the centre of the world and children from around the world are portrayed in traditional costume.

The African child had a bone through his nose, a spear, and wore only a loincloth. That's not the done thing these days, although it was common in comic books until the 1980's in the UK.


*Peter, Peter's Mum, Peter's Dad, Thomas, Lisa, African businessman, and some more I can't remember.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Not quite outlandish exactly but these things in the reading section of lesson 10 in my second year middle school textbook I found amusing:

"I don't know exactly when Koreans began their lives here in Korea. My history teacher says that it goes back as far as five thousand years ago. For such a long time, we have lived with our own language and culture. We are very proud of our long history."

"Koreans are very proud of their language. Their language is called Korean. Written Korean is called Hangeul. It was invented in 1443 by King Sejong. He loved his people very much and he invented the written language for them. He is loved by all Koreans. Hangeul is very easy to read and write. So almost every Korean can read and write. In some countries people cannot read or write because their written language is too difficult. That's not true in Korea."

"My father says that Koreans are one of the hardest working peoples in the world. And I think it's true. I live in Dallas, and I have some friends from Korea in my neighborhood. Their parents work very hard. They usually start their work early in the morning and come back to home late at night. And they do their best for their children to have a better education. They know what's important in life."

"Hi, there! Let me first ask you this: Is it true that you Americans don't eat rice every day? Because our main dish is rice, we eat rice for almost every meal. Some of my friends like western foods, but I like rice better than any other kind of food. Oh, and kimchi is my favorite, too. It's a kind of vegetable we eat with almost every Korean dish. It's a little hot and spicy, but that's my favorite part."


Ah, I teach from that book, too. I skipped over the part about Korea's history or being the hardest-working people. Didn't have the heart to break it to them about either, and didn't want to participate in that type of education.
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