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GnB: how commonplace is it to work 2 sites ?

 
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: GnB: how commonplace is it to work 2 sites ? Reply with quote

It is obviously illegal, but then just who is doing everything by the book in any case?

Two differentiated schools, but of the same chain. What are the possible reasons the ARC can't be updated on the rearend and everything be above board? I'd sure like to know.

In my time I've encountered teachers of this chain doing it and get the impression that it's par for the course and that immi have other fish to fry.

In my first year in K, I worked for a school with a number of branches within the same city and the teachers would rotate between the branches as part of a system.. Zero problems, noone even knew the legalities.. Of course, I would hate to sit in a Korean penitentiary and reflect on how important systems are.

Isn't it a bit on the churlish side to get excited and all refusenik about doing it?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:02 am    Post subject: Re: GnB: how commonplace is it to work 2 sites ? Reply with quote

shifty wrote:
It is obviously illegal, but then just who is doing everything by the book in any case?

Two differentiated schools, but of the same chain. What are the possible reasons the ARC can't be updated on the rearend and everything be above board? I'd sure like to know.

In my time I've encountered teachers of this chain doing it and get the impression that it's par for the course and that immi have other fish to fry.

In my first year in K, I worked for a school with a number of branches within the same city and the teachers would rotate between the branches as part of a system.. Zero problems, noone even knew the legalities.. Of course, I would hate to sit in a Korean penitentiary and reflect on how important systems are.

Isn't it a bit on the churlish side to get excited and all refusenik about doing it?


ummm ..... I am.

It is illegal but there is no problem as long as you don't get caught.

If you get caught the fines are your burden to bear.

There is NO problem adding the 2nd school other than filing some paperwork, filling in the application and paying the fee.

I lied, there is one small problem. Getting a boss that likes to do things the legal way.

If you want to make sure it gets done the legal way, phone the immigration office and ask if it is OK for you to work both locations without the addition on your ARC. (we know what they will say). Then suggest to them that working both places is exactly what your boss insists. They will set him straight very quickly (before you get in the shit with them) and it will get done properly and quickly (unless the 2nd place is not allowed to have a foreigner).
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ttompatz!! This is an offer where the division is M/W/F and T/T.

Amazingly the T/T school is the one to bear the ARC. I had just assumed that it would be the MWF to have the ARC and then the risk seemed not out of the ballpark. But that it is the T/T one doing so, makes me feel tense.

I agree that I would be stuck with the can if I were caught at the MWF one, however remote the risk. The salary is good at 2.4 mill and I'm willing to turn a blind eye to a degree.

But I think the tension over a whole year could be stressful for me.

Don't schools who would employ a foreigner have to have an inspection and offer certain bona fides?? Could that be the main reason?? What I'm getting at, is there a chance of persuading them to comply, or are their obstacles too formidable to agree. I'm in contact with the current teacher who pooh poohs the problem and she says the previous teacher also had no problem. The current teacher has done Korea for 4 years and I believe that I should have some regard for her views.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifty wrote:
Thanks Ttompatz!! This is an offer where the division is M/W/F and T/T.

Amazingly the T/T school is the one to bear the ARC. I had just assumed that it would be the MWF to have the ARC and then the risk seemed not out of the ballpark. But that it is the T/T one doing so, makes me feel tense.

I agree that I would be stuck with the can if I were caught at the MWF one, however remote the risk. The salary is good at 2.4 mill and I'm willing to turn a blind eye to a degree.

But I think the tension over a whole year could be stressful for me.

Don't schools who would employ a foreigner have to have an inspection and offer certain bona fides?? Could that be the main reason?? What I'm getting at, is there a chance of persuading them to comply, or are their obstacles too formidable to agree. I'm in contact with the current teacher who pooh poohs the problem and she says the previous teacher also had no problem. The current teacher has done Korea for 4 years and I believe that I should have some regard for her views.


The paperwork is NOT that onerous and you only need to get caught once to really ruin your day.

Permission for Changing or Adding Workplace

* Permission that allows a foreigner in Korea to change or adds workplace within the permit of staying status.
* "Workplace" refers to the designated location in which an employed foreigner works in. However, it also includes any place that the employer is allowed to assign the foreigner to work at, so long as it is within the boundaries of the contract.

Applicable to:

* Foreigners with visa status that allows employment
Temporary Employment (C-4), Professorship (E-1), Foreign Language Instructor (E-2), Research (E-3), Technology Transfer(E-4), Professional Employment (E-5), Cultural Arts (E-6), Special Occupation (E-7), Employed Trainee (E-Cool, Non-professional employment (E-9), Vessel Crew (E-10), Working Holiday (H-1)
* Foreigners visa status that�s similar to employment.
Supervisory Intra-company Transfer (D-7), Corporate Investment(D-Cool, Trade Management (D-9)

Criteria for granting/denying

* The permission will be denied if the change or addition is different from original staying purpose as stated in the employment contract
* If the foreigner working in too many workplaces or is changing jobs too many times without any consistent pattern, he/she will be evaluated. Should the foreigner be found to have poor work conduct or is in some way against Korea�s national interest, then any future change/addition to the workplace will be restricted.
* If the added workplace should have longer work hours or higher salary than the original workplace, addition of workplace will be restricted.
* Adding more than two workplaces beside the main workplace is prohibited.

Application Period for Permission of changing or adding workplace

* Any change or addition to a foreigner�s workplace must be reviewed and granted in advance by the local Immigration

How to apply for permission for changing or adding workplace

* Principal or the assigned agent must submit the required documents (See the documents by the status) to the local Immigration Office
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linton



Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question with all the good jobs out there why would anyone want to work at two schools?

I did this once where I worked at 2 schools. It was in ChunCheon at GnB. The downside I think is that the students think less of you.

Any thoughts?

If you go to immigration teaching at 2 schools can be legal.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to insist that the second school be placed on the ARC or we have a dealbreaker. The hours at the M/W/F tot up to more than the ARC one, as one could expect for it's a whole day more per week.

I think immi has too see a breakdown of the hours before they'll accede to the addition. Whatever will they think of the primary school being a bit player?

Hi Linton, I have no qualms at the thought of flouncing about the place, as it affords some novel effect. And as to what the kids think, they don't have any thoughts to offer anybody.
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