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Iskroot3
Joined: 07 Jan 2008
Location: OH
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 Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: Apostille Question/Help |
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Need some help with the whole Apostille thing.
So I know that I can get an Apsotille for my original Diploma but I'm not sure how to go about it. I live in Ohio so I'm not sure how other states work.
I do know that first I go to a public notary then to the county clerk of court`s for their certification, then finally I send in a request to the OH Secretary of State.
HOWEVER, what do I take besides the dipolma to the public notary? Is there an offical form that they need to notarize? Do they notarize the degree itself? |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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You do NOT need an apostille for your original diploma.
You only need an apostille if you intend to send a photocopy of the diploma rather than the original. |
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Iskroot3
Joined: 07 Jan 2008
Location: OH
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to send a copy. I want to keep the original nice and safe here in the USA. |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Iskroot3--it sounds like you have a very good handle on the apostille process.
Ut videam is correct in a way----you shouldn't have the state put an apostille on your original diploma....you should have the apostille attached to a reproduction and/or photocopy.
However, you must include the original when you submit your documents to your Secretary of State. And....you MUST have some form of your diploma receive an apostille to get visa sponsorship.
Remember...the same process applies to your Criminal Background Check. Try to submit the materials together to save yourself time and hassles. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
| However, you must include the original when you submit your documents to your Secretary of State. |
Nope. The Secretary of State doesn't need to see the original. In order to get a copy of your diploma apostilled, you need to provide the Secretary of State with a notarized copy. Depending on your state, the notarization may need to be further certified by the county clerk before submission to the state for the apostille. Since the apostille just certifies the prior certifications (notarization, county clerk certification), there's no need to send the original.
How you get a notarized copy will also depend on your state. Some states make a provision in law for a "true copy" notarization, in which case you'll have to show the original so that the notary can sign off that it is indeed a true copy. Other states have no such provision; their notaries can only acknowledge a signature or an oath. So, if you live in one of these states, you must prepare a statement swearing that the copy is a true copy of the original diploma and attach that statement to the copy. Then you sign the statement before the notary, who certifies your signature.
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| And....you MUST have some form of your diploma receive an apostille to get visa sponsorship. |
Nope. Immi regs clearly state that if you send the original diploma, no apostille is necessary. |
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not worth the hassle to do all that....Find another country to teach at like Japan. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I-am-me wrote: |
| It is not worth the hassle to do all that....Find another country to teach at like Japan. |
Give it a rest. It's not that difficult. |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Diplomas/documents need verification...plain and simple...period.
The old process was to have the consulate general's notarization of a reproduction.
The little blue stamp...remember??
Now that process has been scrapped for the apostille.
OP...if you send your original without the apostille...I promise that you will have it sent back to you...in order to receive that apostille.
Diplomas have always needed verification. That used to be performed by your respective consulate general's office. They don't waste their time with it anymore...since so many forgeries were getting notarized by the consulate's offices.
If you send an original...without any verification as to its authenticity...Korean Immigration will laugh at it. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
| Diplomas/documents need verification...plain and simple...period. |
Original diplomas don't, and never have.
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The old process was to have the consulate general's notarization of a reproduction.
The little blue stamp...remember?? |
Nope, 'cause I never needed one. Keep reading.
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| Now that process has been scrapped for the apostille. |
For copies, not for originals.
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| OP...if you send your original without the apostille...I promise that you will have it sent back to you...in order to receive that apostille. |
I promise you he's wrong, and I have documentary evidence to back it up. Keep reading.
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Diplomas have always needed verification. That used to be performed by your respective consulate general's office. They don't waste their time with it anymore...since so many forgeries were getting notarized by the consulate's offices.
If you send an original...without any verification as to its authenticity...Korean Immigration will laugh at it. |
Nope. If you send an original, without verification, Korean Immigration will grant you an E-2.
The regulations say so:
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A certificate of degree(Applicants may choose one of the following)
- Original copy of the diploma (will be returned to the applicant after making a copy and having it sealed as a legitimate copy)
- Copy of the diploma (verified by the Korean consulate or attached with documents verifying highest education, issued by �Korean Council for University Education�)
- Certificate of academic degree issued by the relevant university. (Affixed with an apostille or attached with documents verifying highest education, issued by domestic verification agency)
- Certificate of graduation that lists acquisition of diploma (Affixed with apostille or attached with documents verifying highest education, issued by domestic verification agency) |
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=382&catSeq=385&showMenuId=374&visaId=E2
In addition, the E-2 visa in my passport and the ARC in my wallet say so. As per Immi regulations, I submitted my original diploma with no apostilles, stamps, seals, or certifications (other than the seal of the university). They made and stamped their copy, filed it away, and sent it back to me. I have obtained E-2s both before and after the new regulations. Both times I submitted my original diploma with no other authentication, and Immigration accepted it both times.
OP, the Immigration regulations clearly state that you can send your original diploma without an apostille. If you wish to send a copy, you'll need to get it apostilled. But DongtanTony's statements are just flat out erroneous.
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link that proves my point.
Scroll down to the E2 visa section at your link UT videam.
Under required documents...and I quote:
Certificate of academic degree issued by the relevant university (Affixed with an apostille or attached with documents verifying highest education, issued by domestic verification agency).
I don't know how exactly you circumvented the process...but I would not recommend to a new teacher...as I have recruited some for my school recently...to omit the apostille process in favor of sending an original.
Diplomas have always needed verification...I stand by my statement. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
Thanks for the link that proves my point.
Scroll down to the E2 visa section at your link UT videam.
Under required documents...and I quote:
Certificate of academic degree issued by the relevant university (Affixed with an apostille or attached with documents verifying highest education, issued by domestic verification agency).
I don't know how exactly you circumvented the process...but I would not recommend to a new teacher...as I have recruited some for my school recently...to omit the apostille process in favor of sending an original.
Diplomas have always needed verification...I stand by my statement. |
Read again, Tony. The regulations state that applicants may choose one document from the list that follows. One of the choices is an original diploma, which does not need an apostille. Another choice is a certificate of academic degree, which does require an apostille, but which is also NOT an original diploma. It's a different document.
I circumvented no regulations. I followed them to the letter. An original diploma requires no further verification. Stand by it all you like, but your statement is wrong.
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Iskroot3
Joined: 07 Jan 2008
Location: OH
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| So basically all I need to have notarized is a copy of my orignal diploma? |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly...notarized...get the apostille...it's the safest route...in my "wrong" opinion. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Iskroot3 wrote: |
| So basically all I need to have notarized is a copy of my orignal diploma? |
That's correct.
You said you're from Ohio? Then your next step is to take the notarized copy to the county clerk's office for certification. (If your document is notarized by an attorney notary, however, you can skip this step.)
Finally, after receiving county clerk certification, you submit the document to your Secretary of State's office for the apostille.
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/ElectionsVoter/documentAuthen.aspx?Section=23 |
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Iskroot3
Joined: 07 Jan 2008
Location: OH
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice!
What a lively debate!! Sometimes I just wish their was just one way of doing things. It would be so much easier. |
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