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Non-residence status and using OHIP

 
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Fofazoju



Joined: 09 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Non-residence status and using OHIP Reply with quote

Yes, another Canadian tax question. YAY!

So I have been out of the country for roughly 5 years, teaching in Korea for 4 of them. I didn't cancel my OHIP, and I have an old card so it never expires. Hooray!

I am going back home in September, and I am aware of the 3 month wait IF OHIP is already cancelled.

Because my OHIP isn't cancelled, TECHNICALLY I can still use it.

IF I use it, and then file as a non-resident, will there be ANY chance that the government can check or see that I have used OHIP?
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panthermodern



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but what are they going to do?
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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

panthermodern wrote:
Yes, but what are they going to do?


deem him a resident, tax him Rolling Eyes
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Fofazoju



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks livinginkunsan!

Sheesh, some ppl.

If they find out I used OHIP is that enough (I know it is case by case but I have the usual ties - bank account, passport, drivers licence - thats about it)

But I may need to use it when I get back but dont want it to be a "TA-DA now give us $15,000 please" Smile
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wings



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is a given that if you use your OHIP card you will be deemed a resident and have to pay tax. It is logical. OHIP is payed for by tax.

You can't get health care for nothing, and I'm sure the government would agree.

On the other hand, getting private coverage for 3 months when you return and telling OHIP that you are back would seem to be very good grounds for getting non-resident status.
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Fofazoju



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings:

While I am aware of this (duh), I do not think it would be fair that having been gone for 5 years, that I visit the doctor and then the government decides now they should tax me on the income I made for the 5 years I have been out of Canada.

I am well aware that taxes go towards these things and that I can't something for nothing. Next time I have a moral question, you will be the first person I ask. The question is not, "Is this morally correct" it is, "IF I DO IT WILL THEY FIND OUT?"

I do not think its fair that I would have to pay taxes for the 5 years I have been out of the country based on a few doctors visits. Especially since I have already paid taxes here in Korea.
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Fofazoju



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THat being said, thanks for the tip on private health care coverage. I just may look into that.
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livinginkunsan



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure where you are from, but if you are a Canadian, you CANT get private coverage. I went home last year to visit my family (for 1 month). I couldn't get travelers insurance here in Korea cause I was visiting my home country (my wife called many places) and as a Canadian citizen I couldn't get blue cross or any other additional coverage unless I first had medicare. I even went to medicare and told them of my problem.. their solution ~don't get sick~ lol.

There must be a solution (and I would like to hear of one, cause am going back to Canada next year) but I haven't found it.
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simone



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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to get blue cross for when my daughter and I went back to ontario for christmas.
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TheChickenLover



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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OHIP is a MAJOR reason to be deemed a resident. It does NOT matter if you used it or not. You are FULLY covered.

So say you're gone for 4 years and find yourself being diagnosed with cancer. You can simply fly back to Canada & get full medical free of charge. Is that right? Should you be taxed to pay for that privilege? Absolutely!

I had to cancel my OHIP when I left & I was told that was a HUGE factor regardless whether you used it or not.

Bottom line, you had full coverage & you're going to be taxed for it. The fact that you didnt' use it means nothing. You're screwed.

Chicken
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smedini



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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fofazoju wrote:
wings:

While I am aware of this (duh), I do not think it would be fair that having been gone for 5 years, that I visit the doctor and then the government decides now they should tax me on the income I made for the 5 years I have been out of Canada.

I am well aware that taxes go towards these things and that I can't something for nothing. Next time I have a moral question, you will be the first person I ask. The question is not, "Is this morally correct" it is, "IF I DO IT WILL THEY FIND OUT?"

I do not think its fair that I would have to pay taxes for the 5 years I have been out of the country based on a few doctors visits. Especially since I have already paid taxes here in Korea.


If you haven't been determined a non-resident and you still have OHIP AND USE IT you will be considered a resident. Visit the doctor and pay for it out of pocket...it will be astronomically less than the taxes you'll be charged on that five years' worth of income. In the meantime you should contact CRA - anonymously - and ask them hypothetically what would happen if you had no other ties to Canada, none at all, but that you "forgot" to cancel your provincial coverage (though point out that you've not used it at all in those five years). Under other circumstances I'd advise to apply for non-residency status - retroactive to the day you left - but with your OHIP still active you may just have a wrench in the wheel. You can apply and argue that you haven't used OHIP and just forgot to cancel, but they could argue that you were still covered whether you used it or not. Try the anonymous call and see where it gets you...best of luck!

IMHO
~smedini

PS: Along the lines of wings' suggestion of getting private care and it going toward proving your non-residency status for CRA, if you do go to the doctor and pay out of pocket, keep the receipt and use it as proof to CRA that though you forgot to cancel OHIP, you paid for the medical services yourself...that could help Smile


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smedini



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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Non-residence status and using OHIP Reply with quote

Fofazoju wrote:
Yes, another Canadian tax question. YAY!

So I have been out of the country for roughly 5 years, teaching in Korea for 4 of them. I didn't cancel my OHIP, and I have an old card so it never expires. Hooray!

I am going back home in September, and I am aware of the 3 month wait IF OHIP is already cancelled.

Because my OHIP isn't cancelled, TECHNICALLY I can still use it.

IF I use it, and then file as a non-resident, will there be ANY chance that the government can check or see that I have used OHIP?


And to answer you original question, whether there is ANY chance the gov will see that you've used OHIP, the answer is absolutely! I'm not saying it will happen, but you've asked if there's a chance...there is, and it's not a slim one. When you go to the doctor, they take your OHIP card for a reason: so they can bill the government. Sure, it's all done by computer but that doesn't mean a red flag can't be raised on you not using your card forever and then using it (more to catch people coming back from out of province to use Ontario's system than overseas workers)...but that doesn't mean that the flag will be raised, either.

Sure, it's a gamble, but one that would SUCK to lose...imagine getting slammed with a tax bill for five years' worth of otherwise low-taxed salary? I had a friend who worked for herself for years and didn't pay income tax and went three years without filing at all. When she finally got around to it she ended up owing the government nearly $4K in taxes, and I'm sure she made less working from her little home office than you did working in Korea.

I wouldn't take the chance of using OHIP if I were you.

Again, IMHO
~smedini
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